I really don’t get the “AI is the future” thing. Future of what? Any of the things it’s capable of doing I would rather do myself, and the things it’s not capable of doing are the things I consider most valuable.

Basically CA but for guaranteeing a human made something? The hard part would be filtering bots for the same reason its hard now. Unless the signing keys were a scarce resource.

Maybe people have a mathematically limited number of signatures they can make over a given amount of time? If someone wants to vouch for something being human made then they have to weigh losing a scarce resource?

I truly wonder at what the solution is. As LLM generated text gets to the point of being not just visually but statistically indistinguishable from legitimate traffic we won’t be able to rely on mass scanning like we have.

Perhaps an architectural problem? I imagine smaller social communities with human vetting for entrance? Am I just describing the fediverse?

The truth is it will likely take an enormous amount of effort to keep ourselves busy. I’m unironically considering going off grid with some friends and family just to create problems to solve.

Maybe it’s just the grass being greener as usual :p

Most likely haha, probably also true for myself. Ironically I got out of doing industrial work to get into tech and, now, with AI eating a lot of my responsibilities I’m looking at getting back into the field.

Change has a way of revealing things about ourselves and others.

Something to do with purpose I imagine? I feel the same way. I’d like to be useful to others. Not like ‘good conversationalist’ useful; useful the way a shovel is useful.

I find it’s not something well understood.

I notice when the topic of a post-scarcity/post-work environment comes up the reactions tend to be roughly sortable into 2 camps. People with my perspective and people who would be excited about this. It’s interesting that you mention liberation from chop wood/carry water because that actually sounds rather lovely, and that’s coming from someone that did manual/industrial labor for the first half of their working life.

I wonder what the psychology of that is? Why some people would find the absence of toil freeing and others would find it dreadful.

My material needs are certainly met. My family will likely never buy a home but I’ve never wanted to so that’s no loss for me. We have food, water, shelter and access to education for our children (for all the good that will do them).

I have had times in my life where my material needs were very far from being met. Either as a result of lack of funds or as a result of being located somewhere hostile to those needs. Though the fear of a post scarcity economy has been one I’ve had since I was a child (ironically the most materially unstable portion of my life) so this has been a consistent character trait, whether or not I could articulate it.

I don’t like having things. I prefer to not have them but want them but for there to be no actual way to ever get them. If it was possible to have the things that I want, then there would be no more fun in wanting them. It’s a hedonistic treadmill.

It’s like debugging code. The fun part is the debugging. The worst part is when you actually fix the bug. Pushing the boulder is what makes life enjoyable.

EDIT: Probably worth explaining why this relates to LLMs. LLM’s, and a post scarcity world, promises all bug-fixing and no debugging. It’s like playing a videogame with a difficulty slider; you could play with the difficulty on high but you always know that you could reduce it if you needed to. Takes the fun out of the game.

Yeah see, this is the problem.

The post scarcity “pursue your passions” model doesn’t work unless you’re an actual hedonistic degenerate. For the rest of us this is an actual nightmare. I am really not looking forward to the day when I don’t need to work.

It’s funny, I agree with you and that is specifically what does not give me hope.

My biggest fear is that we won’t get terminators, or that we’ll get UBI and no one will have to work anymore.

In either case, Sisyphus will no longer have a boulder to push and that is a nightmare.

I do. You’re describing a bar for humor where we can’t even make fun of Nazis because, to do so, would require referencing the existence of Nazis.

Technology is political. If we limit humor here to be exclusively word-play about obscure CS topics then this is going to get very boring very quickly. I feel for you if this rubbed you the wrong way but, particularly in today’s climate, we can’t flinch from stuff like this.

The enemy hates you. They despise you in ways that can scarcely be imagined. You must mock them at every turn.

I’m diagnosed ASD myself. A lot of us on Lemmy are most likely.

I think where I’m getting confused is where we’re taking issue with distinguishing “autistic transgender puppygirl” and “shredded Aryan German guy”. Those are distinctly, visually, very different things. In order for the joke to land the reader needs to be able to distinguish the contents of the juxtaposition.

I don’t think this joke would have landed if the dichotomy being drawn was between “one perfectly valid human being” and “another perfectly valid human being, who has problematic views on the states relationship with the body-politic.”

You could remove the reference to autism I suppose but, again, the joke is in the fact that the vibe-coding chud is angry that they are mogged by what they perceive as ‘lesser’. For that to work you need to create some homunculus that will represent that person.

Sorry mate I think you may have missed the joke?

I wouldn’t say ripped Aryan men is the “main topic” of the joke. The subject of the joke is very clearly the “who cares how it was coded” crowd (referencing those permissive of LLMs). Along with the implication that their “idea” of an ideal human is counter to the fact that many of the best technical professionals (whome they could only aspire to imitate) are often, distinctly, not aligned with that perceived ideal.

See, humor is all about the juxtaposition of novel subjects.

I would say vibe-coding is on topic for programming humor.

Vibecoders whose feelings are hurt?

I wonder if its a symptom of the fact that vibecoding is just not cool.

What? Where is eugenics mentioned in the meme?

I’m genuinely curious, I see no reference to selective breeding in here.

Straight up I’m not even being deliberately dense, where’s the eugenics?

No OpenBSD/NetBSD?