There’s plenty of fascists that aren’t supported by Russia as well. Especially in Spain, where the history of fascism and Russian relations are intimately related.
Azov is a part of the Ukrainian government. Even Voz in Spain has no connection to power currently, so pretending Spain is worse is just bizarre.
The military branch of Azov, an organisation originally founded explicitly as a nazi organisation, being neutered from its nazi activities between 2014 and 2018 after it lost its Russian funding in 2014 is a prime example of the anti-fascist work of the Ukrainian government.
Between 2014 and 2018 the threat of a nazistic coup was immiment, because the Ukrainian army was extremely weak – very much akin to what the army of Belarus is these days. Those four years of dancing on the edge of the sword, slowly moving the combat units from nazi leadership to government leadership in order to remove the risk of a nazi coup were immensely dangerous for Ukraine, but in the end antifascism won.
People are annoyed that the soldiers from those nazi organisations were integrated into tge Ukrainian military, but I ask: how else could they have been neutered of their nazism? Just outright banning them would have resulted in a coup and we’d now have a nazi government in Ukraine. The frog had to be boiled slowly.
What you’re saying here is integrating the Nazis into government was needed - a similar argument that was made with West Germany, after the period of deNazification the US initially did.
Which is a totally different argument. It’s one I don’t think we’d agree on - but regardless, it’s also not related to the reported news here the neo-nazis are receiving training in Ukraine for use in other countries, such as Spain.
There’s plenty of fascists that aren’t supported by Russia as well. Especially in Spain, where the history of fascism and Russian relations are intimately related.
Azov is a part of the Ukrainian government. Even Voz in Spain has no connection to power currently, so pretending Spain is worse is just bizarre.
The military branch of Azov, an organisation originally founded explicitly as a nazi organisation, being neutered from its nazi activities between 2014 and 2018 after it lost its Russian funding in 2014 is a prime example of the anti-fascist work of the Ukrainian government.
Between 2014 and 2018 the threat of a nazistic coup was immiment, because the Ukrainian army was extremely weak – very much akin to what the army of Belarus is these days. Those four years of dancing on the edge of the sword, slowly moving the combat units from nazi leadership to government leadership in order to remove the risk of a nazi coup were immensely dangerous for Ukraine, but in the end antifascism won.
People are annoyed that the soldiers from those nazi organisations were integrated into tge Ukrainian military, but I ask: how else could they have been neutered of their nazism? Just outright banning them would have resulted in a coup and we’d now have a nazi government in Ukraine. The frog had to be boiled slowly.
What you’re saying here is integrating the Nazis into government was needed - a similar argument that was made with West Germany, after the period of deNazification the US initially did.
Which is a totally different argument. It’s one I don’t think we’d agree on - but regardless, it’s also not related to the reported news here the neo-nazis are receiving training in Ukraine for use in other countries, such as Spain.