The report, released Monday, also claims Israeli forces committed crimes against humanity, including torture and rape, in the West Bank. Israel denies these allegations and has not responded to the report.
Putting aside the whataboutism, the historical anachronism, and the DARVO.
Canadian citizens are reckoning with it’s colonial past during the colonial period in the 17th century, it’s people now (who before were British subjects) understand the genocide, learn about it in school, and don’t support it.
While Israeli civilians (not just the IDF) blockade food trucks, have rallies for torturers and torture camps, ~80% say the IDF isn’t doing enough in Gaza, believe that killing children is ok because “they’re future terrorists”, have annual flag march calling “death to Arabs”, and fully agree on genocide – and this is after a whole system of laws have been created and humanity, as a whole, has a better understanding of it (except Israelis apparently).
Thats because Canadians genocided 90% of the natives. If Isreal genocided 90% of Palestinians then absorbed them and “reckoned with its past” I highly doubt you would be saying anything similar.
Also nothing I said was whataboutism, darvo or whatever. I was curious about your morals after such an insane statement.
Also nothing I said was whataboutism, darvo or whatever
Yes, you did. By bringing up Canada’s colonial history, that is a “tu quoque”, which is classic deflection.
And let’s assume that the apples and oranges that you’re comparing anachronistically is even relevant - hypocrisy doesn’t make the claim any less true.
By Israeli civilians own polls 64% believe there are no innocents in Gaza (including children). By Israelis own actions (blocking aid trucks) they have helped facilitate the genocide. By Israelis own public rhetoric by politicians and the citizens, they want a genocide. The NAZA documentary shows clearly how there is glee in the murdering of innocent people and that it’s murder en masse.
That is in contrast to Nazi Germany where the civilians didn’t know the Holocaust was happening and it was done in secret.
Israelis know about it, the world has laws against it, the video evidence is overwhelming and is everywhere, and they still provide full throated support for it. And that’s why I say that Israelis are worse than Germans during Nazi Germany.
There is no deflection, I am not disputing your claim I am asking about your worldview to see how and why you apply it in the way that you do. Ive already accepted the premise that Isreal is 100x worse than Nazi Germany I’m interested in why and how that differs to Canada. I assume by you posting such an extreme claim you wanted to have the conversation.
Off the bad your comparison between isreal and Germany is a lie. German civilians were in fact aware of the holocaust and complict in supporting the regime. Canadians were also aware of what was happening to natives and supported those policies and that political rhetoric.
So I can only assume that you either feel the same way about yourself or there is something different that you are evaluating. It seems to be time between the event and now. I dont think time between the event is meaningful given how short of a timeframe its been and how little remediation has been shown.
So I assume you think once isreal Genocides 95% of Palestinians and then expands to the ‘greater isreal’. Some time passes and they do some land acknowledgements then you would you change your tune?
The Germans had a famous saying post-ww2. “We didn’t now about it”. Can’t say the same about Israelis.
And what was happening to the indigenous people in Canada? What policies? I’m curious to know what claims you’re making because so far you’ve been very general.
I hope you’ll forgive my tone because trying to compare history in a certain framing and anachronistically to today is what Israelis use to justify their continued colonization and genocide.
The German saying is famous but not because they genuinely didnt know anything was going on. They were aware of persecution and rounding up of Jews and other minorities and some were aware of thr death camps.
Most Isrealis are aware thats happening even if they dont know every detail I think we both agree that they should pickup that something is seriously wrong with their state. I think Germans at the time were the same and cannot hide behind an excuse of “we didnt know”. I also think Canadians at the time were aware of the expansion and encroachment of natives and supported the polices. Also assimilation policies.
To preface this, I am not knowledgeable on Canadian history. I have done a few hours of generalised reading.
What kind of dates do you want? I think narrowing we can narrow it down and focus on 1870 to 1950. I want to preface this by saying that I don’t think Canadians are 1000x mega Nazi’s nor do I think Isrealis are 100x mega Nazis. But I want your explanation on why these two things ate different because if im to accept your framing of isreal 100x Nazi I can only logically extend that to Canada 100x Nazi
So while you can say that the Germans knew - which, again, is massively debated to what extent the average German knew. Like you said, they knew about people being rounded up and assumed it was for immigration/relocation not mass murder in gas Chambers and it was wilful ignorance at best - there is absolutely no debate that Israelis fully know, encourage it, support it, their politicians and soldiers share videos on social media of torture camps, they have processions calling for death, etc.
Worth seeing the NAZA documentary (not the fake one that Israel put out to mislead people).
Putting aside the whataboutism, the historical anachronism, and the DARVO.
Canadian citizens are reckoning with it’s colonial past during the colonial period in the 17th century, it’s people now (who before were British subjects) understand the genocide, learn about it in school, and don’t support it.
While Israeli civilians (not just the IDF) blockade food trucks, have rallies for torturers and torture camps, ~80% say the IDF isn’t doing enough in Gaza, believe that killing children is ok because “they’re future terrorists”, have annual flag march calling “death to Arabs”, and fully agree on genocide – and this is after a whole system of laws have been created and humanity, as a whole, has a better understanding of it (except Israelis apparently).
Thats because Canadians genocided 90% of the natives. If Isreal genocided 90% of Palestinians then absorbed them and “reckoned with its past” I highly doubt you would be saying anything similar.
Also nothing I said was whataboutism, darvo or whatever. I was curious about your morals after such an insane statement.
Yes, you did. By bringing up Canada’s colonial history, that is a “tu quoque”, which is classic deflection.
And let’s assume that the apples and oranges that you’re comparing anachronistically is even relevant - hypocrisy doesn’t make the claim any less true.
By Israeli civilians own polls 64% believe there are no innocents in Gaza (including children). By Israelis own actions (blocking aid trucks) they have helped facilitate the genocide. By Israelis own public rhetoric by politicians and the citizens, they want a genocide. The NAZA documentary shows clearly how there is glee in the murdering of innocent people and that it’s murder en masse.
That is in contrast to Nazi Germany where the civilians didn’t know the Holocaust was happening and it was done in secret.
Israelis know about it, the world has laws against it, the video evidence is overwhelming and is everywhere, and they still provide full throated support for it. And that’s why I say that Israelis are worse than Germans during Nazi Germany.
There is no deflection, I am not disputing your claim I am asking about your worldview to see how and why you apply it in the way that you do. Ive already accepted the premise that Isreal is 100x worse than Nazi Germany I’m interested in why and how that differs to Canada. I assume by you posting such an extreme claim you wanted to have the conversation.
Off the bad your comparison between isreal and Germany is a lie. German civilians were in fact aware of the holocaust and complict in supporting the regime. Canadians were also aware of what was happening to natives and supported those policies and that political rhetoric.
So I can only assume that you either feel the same way about yourself or there is something different that you are evaluating. It seems to be time between the event and now. I dont think time between the event is meaningful given how short of a timeframe its been and how little remediation has been shown.
So I assume you think once isreal Genocides 95% of Palestinians and then expands to the ‘greater isreal’. Some time passes and they do some land acknowledgements then you would you change your tune?
No, my tune wouldn’t change.
The Germans had a famous saying post-ww2. “We didn’t now about it”. Can’t say the same about Israelis.
And what was happening to the indigenous people in Canada? What policies? I’m curious to know what claims you’re making because so far you’ve been very general.
I hope you’ll forgive my tone because trying to compare history in a certain framing and anachronistically to today is what Israelis use to justify their continued colonization and genocide.
The German saying is famous but not because they genuinely didnt know anything was going on. They were aware of persecution and rounding up of Jews and other minorities and some were aware of thr death camps.
Most Isrealis are aware thats happening even if they dont know every detail I think we both agree that they should pickup that something is seriously wrong with their state. I think Germans at the time were the same and cannot hide behind an excuse of “we didnt know”. I also think Canadians at the time were aware of the expansion and encroachment of natives and supported the polices. Also assimilation policies.
To preface this, I am not knowledgeable on Canadian history. I have done a few hours of generalised reading. What kind of dates do you want? I think narrowing we can narrow it down and focus on 1870 to 1950. I want to preface this by saying that I don’t think Canadians are 1000x mega Nazi’s nor do I think Isrealis are 100x mega Nazis. But I want your explanation on why these two things ate different because if im to accept your framing of isreal 100x Nazi I can only logically extend that to Canada 100x Nazi
Most Israeli civilians are active participants and even their news outlets openly report about it. Their polling shows full support for it.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-01-16/ty-article-static/.premium/blood-covered-the-floor-fear-ran-like-electricity-through-my-body-i-knew-exactly-whats-coming/00000194-6044-d2ad-a19d-764d0f860000
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/twilight-zone/2024-10-25/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/beatings-humiliation-and-torture-the-idfs-night-of-terror-at-a-palestinian-refugee-camp/00000192-c1cc-d9ee-a5de-f1cd0aa30000
It’s not that israelis are remotely aware, it’s that are fully aware and they want it to happen.
https://i.imgur.com/Iv5q60b.gifv
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg300jek94zo
So while you can say that the Germans knew - which, again, is massively debated to what extent the average German knew. Like you said, they knew about people being rounded up and assumed it was for immigration/relocation not mass murder in gas Chambers and it was wilful ignorance at best - there is absolutely no debate that Israelis fully know, encourage it, support it, their politicians and soldiers share videos on social media of torture camps, they have processions calling for death, etc.
Worth seeing the NAZA documentary (not the fake one that Israel put out to mislead people).