If they aren’t going to have the votes to make it stick, I agree it feels like a waste of time.
I would like to see really hard lines on ICE, Israel, Iran. Though government shutdown doesn’t hit me personally that hard; we would need to be ready to support vulnerable folks.
I actually think getting all the evidence ready for criminal prosecution seems helpful. And separately, building local government power.
But overall, I’m not sure how they can fight an illegal leader from within the legal system, if half the government is also illegal cronies.
A lot of people in the country are politically ignorant. They forget quickly. These folks operate with a, “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” kind of politics, so if they don’t hear about things happening, there must not be a problem. The Republicans understand this, which is why they conducted a bajillion useless Benghazi investigations to help foment distrust in Democrats and Hillary Clinton. Those investigations were useless and lead nowhere, but the side effect of talking about it all the time helped the MAGA Republicans gain power.
A third impeachement could serve a similar purpose, if the Democratic Party was willing to actually try to win. An important part of fighting MAGA is by constantly shoving into people’s faces that MAGA are freaks. Democrats should be pointing out the smoke to show there’s a fire.
Agreed. What a lot of the brigade here doesn’t realize is that unless there are enough votes in the senate to remove his ass and throw him into Gitmo, another impeachment is just more performative bullshit.
There’s literally nothing Congress can do that is not performative bullshit. The same senators that will block impeachment will block any worthwhile legislation. The only concrete power they have is passing a budget once per year. Everything else is performance.
And they’re legislative political leaders. That’s actually part of their job. Every statement, investigation, speech, and vetoed bill is a performance to convince voters to support them and turn against their opponents. The only thing they do that’s concrete is passing legislation (and impeachment) and if those things are blocked you do performances to try to unblock them or at least hurt your opponents in future elections.
Passing a budget once a year and shutting down the government if it’s vetoed. Literally the only concrete action they can take. I explicitly said that was the singular thing, so I don’t know why you think I brushed aside a bunch of other options.
But since you seem to think there are, please list some instead of these contentless responses. Should be easy since there are so many.
Did impeaching Trump work in 2019 or in 2021 to crush his influence or power? I think I agree it’s a waste of time unless we could actually toss him out of office. Even then, I’d fear that JD Vance might take advantage of this by reversing all the obviously bad policies done by Trump thus winning himself political capital and then the narrative among normies is that it was only Trump that was the problem and not MAGA as a whole. That being said, if he does get impeached I’m not going to cry a river and dance on his grave with everyone else, I just think it might either be a waste of time that doesn’t do anything or at worst a political blunder if done too early. So yeah, I’m open to being wrong on this.
If we don’t impeach Trumpepstein, which is Congress’s duty under the Constitution, then we need to harass every Senator who won’t stand against this corruption to vote for removal. Embarrass them for tolerating the Donvict’s crimes. Make them stand in the Orange Grifter’s Outhouse Pit.
It isn’t a fucking game. After all the corruption and lawless fuckery, impeachment is a moral imperative.
If they aren’t going to have the votes to make it stick, I agree it feels like a waste of time.
I would like to see really hard lines on ICE, Israel, Iran. Though government shutdown doesn’t hit me personally that hard; we would need to be ready to support vulnerable folks.
I actually think getting all the evidence ready for criminal prosecution seems helpful. And separately, building local government power.
But overall, I’m not sure how they can fight an illegal leader from within the legal system, if half the government is also illegal cronies.
Make them vote
A lot of people in the country are politically ignorant. They forget quickly. These folks operate with a, “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” kind of politics, so if they don’t hear about things happening, there must not be a problem. The Republicans understand this, which is why they conducted a bajillion useless Benghazi investigations to help foment distrust in Democrats and Hillary Clinton. Those investigations were useless and lead nowhere, but the side effect of talking about it all the time helped the MAGA Republicans gain power.
A third impeachement could serve a similar purpose, if the Democratic Party was willing to actually try to win. An important part of fighting MAGA is by constantly shoving into people’s faces that MAGA are freaks. Democrats should be pointing out the smoke to show there’s a fire.
Well put.
Agreed. What a lot of the brigade here doesn’t realize is that unless there are enough votes in the senate to remove his ass and throw him into Gitmo, another impeachment is just more performative bullshit.
There’s literally nothing Congress can do that is not performative bullshit. The same senators that will block impeachment will block any worthwhile legislation. The only concrete power they have is passing a budget once per year. Everything else is performance.
And they’re legislative political leaders. That’s actually part of their job. Every statement, investigation, speech, and vetoed bill is a performance to convince voters to support them and turn against their opponents. The only thing they do that’s concrete is passing legislation (and impeachment) and if those things are blocked you do performances to try to unblock them or at least hurt your opponents in future elections.
So it’s all performative bullshit except for the concrete stuff they can actually do? Am I following that correctly?
Passing a budget once a year and shutting down the government if it’s vetoed. Literally the only concrete action they can take. I explicitly said that was the singular thing, so I don’t know why you think I brushed aside a bunch of other options.
But since you seem to think there are, please list some instead of these contentless responses. Should be easy since there are so many.
Did impeaching Trump work in 2019 or in 2021 to crush his influence or power? I think I agree it’s a waste of time unless we could actually toss him out of office. Even then, I’d fear that JD Vance might take advantage of this by reversing all the obviously bad policies done by Trump thus winning himself political capital and then the narrative among normies is that it was only Trump that was the problem and not MAGA as a whole. That being said, if he does get impeached I’m not going to cry a river and dance on his grave with everyone else, I just think it might either be a waste of time that doesn’t do anything or at worst a political blunder if done too early. So yeah, I’m open to being wrong on this.
If we don’t impeach Trumpepstein, which is Congress’s duty under the Constitution, then we need to harass every Senator who won’t stand against this corruption to vote for removal. Embarrass them for tolerating the Donvict’s crimes. Make them stand in the Orange Grifter’s Outhouse Pit.