• aksdb@lemmy.world
    12·
    9 days ago

    So far it sounds exactly like Wine, just built from (almost) scratch. So “no”.

    • BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.worldEnglish
      2·
      9 days ago

      It doesn’t sound exactly like Wine? It’s a different approach if I understand it correctly. Instead of mimicking API calls and acting as a translator, it seems to be more like building a cloned windows environment including it’s own kernel, APIs and elements from ReactOS, Vulkan etc.

      So it may solve some of Wines issues, but may also have quite a bit of overhead and redundancy that Wine doesn’t do? I don’t think it will replace Wine but it may be a complementary approach that suits some applications better than wine?

      But it’s a mammoth task, and I’m sceptical it will get the traction it needs to succeed.

      • aksdb@lemmy.world
        5·
        9 days ago

        Own kernel wouldn’t make sense; then it would need a VM. Rebuilding APIs in a Windows compatible manner is what Wine (and ReactOS) does as well. Microsoft’s APIs work on top of the Windows kernel, while Wine’s API works on top of Linux. Since Raven intends to run apps natively without virtualization, it’s targeting the same architecture; rebuilding Windows APIs on top of Linux.

  • BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.worldEnglish
    4·
    9 days ago

    I’m not sure. I think the concept is interesting and it may solve some of the issues Wine has. But I’m sceptical a new project will get much traction. The Dev is the guy behind Bottles, so has some predigree, and it also seem sensible that they’re using ReactOS’s work to implement core parts of it.

    My understanding is that Wine recreates specific Window’s APIs so programmes can run within Linux (and other OS’s), while Raven is creating more of a fuller contained cloned windows environment to run inside the host OS, so programs effectively run as if the whole of native windows is there?

    They claim that the programs themselves will launch faster and run faster, but I do wonder how much of the overhead of the clone windows container environment launching and even just being ready adds to a system? It’s definitely one to watch.

    Also - and this is purely my speculation / question - is this going to be an example of how AI coding can be used to power a new project along? They haven’t mentioned that at all in fairness, and I can’t see that it’s an AI coded project, but I wonder if things like the rapidly progressing ArtCraft project (“cloning” Adobe Photoshop and Microsoft Word) is a route that this will go down? Otherwise I find it hard to believe something like this will progress fast enough to be useful in the next few years?