I noticed almost everybody here agrees that all AI is bad, and anything produced by AI is slop. and refuse to use any software made in part or in whole with AI or help of AI? Please mention your background and usage of AI with your answer.
I work in software. Just in day to day:
- lazy people are now using AI to slop out meaningless drivel at me rather than taking five minutes to articulate an actual thought
- shit is frequently broken because people surrender their thinking to the LLMs, don’t understand what the agents are doing, and don’t check the work output
Broadly:
- the industry is built on theft and whitewashing of human effort
- fraudulent valuations and circular dealing
- the frontier AI companies are all run by lying sociopaths
- and yet the global economy now hinges on a handful of AI or AI-adjacent companies
- many corporate types are now convinced they don’t need real human labor anymore, and treat the working class accordingly
- AI is an incredible force multiplier for scamming/spamming
- hyperscaler data center build out is mathematically impossible, environmentally ruinous, and harmful to your health
- LLMs are literally making us stupider
There are a lot of software developers on Lemmy.
AI is being pushed as a software development tool. It tends to remove the fun part of our jobs (coding, debugging, optimizing) and relegates us to the shitty parts (code review).
We don’t like that.
It is antisocial and nihilistic technology that makes my hobbies worse and less accessable
Why do we need to justify our options? It is OK to not like a technology that is killing the world? A technology where we have movies of it taking over the world and murdering the human race. A technology that has yet to turn a profit despite trillions of dollars funnelled into it.
Please mention your background and usage of AI with your answer.
No, why don’t you justify your want for destroying the planet and species.
Because it got enshittified and politicized by Tech Bros.
If you wanna tell me about the usefulness of LLMs, you are preaching to the choir. I was playing with GTP-J 6B finetunes in 2022. I am quantizing some weights as I type.
However, you can’t look at me with a straight face and tell me everything is okay in this space. It’s a nightmare, a giant scam that is going to implode.
As Lemmy is a refuge for people who see how caustic mainstream social media is, folks here are particularly sensitive to the issues surrounding “AI” too.
In other words, Lemmy literally selects for enshittification sensitivity.
It’s legitimately no different than cryptocurrency and NFTs, but this is the techbro scam that finally stuck after flinging shit against the wall over and over.
The training data sources are built destructively, without any consent from the artists, writers, programmers, anyone whose data is pulled into these models. The information these things spit out usually has so many inaccuracies - search engines are fucked, software is built without understanding a damn thing it actually does, poor translations of documentation are made public, the list goes on.
On top of that, data centers are one of the biggest environmental nightmares we’ve ever seen. Why are we pushing these so hard in the middle of a goddamn climate crisis?
There’s genuinely not a single thing it actually does well, and the only reason it genuinely took off is because investors in the same 5 companies are patting each other on the back.
It’s also worth mentioning how chatbots built off this stuff are designed to always be extraordinarily friendly and confirming to the user. It’s such a massive factor contributing to AI psychosis, to the point that there people who legitimately believe these lines of code are sentient and conscious. Meanwhile we’ve already seen just how easily these closed source models can be tweaked to spit out pure propaganda, making them an extremely valuable political tool - it’s no wonder fascists love this shit so much.
Several legal, environmental and social reasons I can tell
because that’s trending, and possibly there’s money involved with people keeping that stance. there are serious issues with ai but in typical liberal fashion, they don’t propose any serious solution except complaining about it in social media.
I have a solution: ban the technology outright and let open source projects and individuals harvest datacenters for parts
It’s because we are adults, so we already have better skills than a general LLM. We learned to read, write, and research in school. While I personally didn’t go to art school, many people did, and they developed skills that allow them to make better art than a general use art AI.
To us, AI is just wasting our time, because it does what we can already do but worse.
Children are in an unfortunate trap, where they need to spend years producing work that is worse than the LLM to eventually be able to develop the skillset to surpass the LLM. Buying into the idea that it makes your work faster or easier is a trap. You’ll be permanently dependent on it.
we already have better skills than a general LLM
Can you read a thousand pages of tech documentation and find every reference that could be relevant to the issue you’re having in minutes? Then no, you don’t always have ‘better skills than a general LLM’. Humans are better at some things. Computers are better at some things. Use the right tool for the job.
It’s funny you sent this just now. I just spent like 45 minutes trying to get Co-Counsel to make a list of all of the cases in a brief I’m working on. It got confused and couldn’t. I would’ve been done by now if I just used my brain. /shrug
Are you using AI to help you with legal stuff? I don’t think you should use AI for that since it would have data on rules from all sorts of places, and might not be up to date on laws in your place. Or you could train an AI on exclusively the data in your area, but then (1) you’d need hundreds of models, and (2) they would be much less powerful since the training data is a lot less.
CoCounsel is a professional legal service offered by WestLaw. WestLaw is one of the two major legal information companies. They were the ones who transitioned the law from books and brought it online in the 90s. Their dataset is exclusively their databases, which I would guess contain between 90-99% of all American Law ever written.
CoCounsel does exactly what you said in your earlier comment. It scans thousands of legal documents to find exactly what you’re looking for. If I want to find a case that talks about both the 4th amendment during a jurisdictional issue, it can instantly find a case with a a direct quote.
In this case, I asked it to do a multi-step process: find ~50 cases referenced in a specific document, alphabetize them, and add a two sentence summary below each one. That was too much for it to handle at once. It got confused.
In the US, each state can have its own laws, right? How does the AI handle this?
Also, how does it understand grammar? Wouldn’t it first need to be trained on a large corpus of text?
Most lemmy users live in countries which are run for a rich few, rather than the general public. Technology, including AI, is also used to benefit the rich, often at the cost of the rest of the population. Unfortunately this leads to people hating the technology rather than the political system.
There was a recent survey where they pointed out how people in English-speaking countries are most concerned about AI (because it is used against the people there) while people in the Global South are most positive about it (because it is used to benefit them). Here’s the summary chart:-

yeah no, this is weird framing. i’m south korean myself and from what i feel it’s not much (if any) different from what i see around the western internet
Hmm yes South Korea isn’t a Global South country. It’s closer to Western countries in terms of politics and economic situation.
Btw is there an age-based or rural-urban division in perception of AI?




