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When [Canadian] Prime Minister Mark Carney stood in Beijing in January and said Canada’s new “strategic partnership” with China set both countries up for a “new world order,” it marked a striking reversal. Less than a year earlier, on the election campaign trail, Carney had named China as Canada’s biggest security threat. And a year before the trip, the Hogue Commission’s report on foreign interference concluded that China is the most persistent and sophisticated foreign interference threat to Canada’s democratic institutions and elections.

The deal cut China’s tariff on Canadian canola seed to about 15 percent from 75.8 percent and eased duties on peas, and seafood. In return, Ottawa agreed to let in 49,000 Chinese electric vehicles (EVs) a year at a 6.1 percent tariff, down from 100 percent. The partnership also covers clean energy, multilateral co-operation, people-to-people ties, and public security, including an agreement between the RCMP and China’s Ministry of Public Security, the police apparatus Beijing has used to monitor and intimidate its diaspora abroad.

The pivot comes as Carney rallies middle powers to band together against U.S. tariffs while moving closer to the world’s other superpower. Taiwan, which Beijing refuses to recognize as an independent country, and actively seeks to reunify Taiwan as part of China even by military force, shows how aggressive China can be. And as Chiense coast guard incursions into Taiwan-controlled waters have spiked in 2026, U.S. President Donald Trump has called a stalled $14-billion arms package for the island “a very good negotiating chip” with Beijing, recently adding he isn’t looking to fight a war thousands of miles away.

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Few Western journalists have watched China’s security apparatus as closely as Jürgen Kremb. A former Der Spiegel bureau chief in Beijing, Singapore, and Vienna who was expelled from China in 1998, he now teaches and conducts research at Soochow University in Taipei as a visiting scholar.

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The Hub spoke with Kremb about what Canada should learn from Taiwan as it grows its ties to China.

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Question: … Ottawa has now signed a strategic partnership with Beijing that includes a confidential RCMP agreement with China’s Ministry of Public Security. From where you sit in Taiwan, which has lived with this pressure far longer, does closer engagement with Beijing typically restrain its interference activities abroad, or does it give them more cover and access and embolden them?

Jürgen Kremb: It’s police and domestic security, and they work like the FBI. There are also members of their staff who work as agents, suppressing dissidents and different opinions. This ministry has about 2 million staff in China … and they open police stations in foreign countries, including Canada. The same in Europe and Australia [and other countries]. Of course that’s against the law of other countries, just as the U.S. or Canada cannot open a police station in Beijing.

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China now is the biggest threat to the security of a lot of countries, because they steal intellectual property, they intimidate their dissidents abroad, they intimidate people who are speaking out against China, they operate a lot of media. So we really have to take the threat seriously… And of course the primary target is Taiwan.

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Taiwan is the testing ground, [but it’s also being] executed against other democratic societies, the so-called West, but the so-called West also includes South Korea, Japan, Indonesia, etc.

Xi Jinping wants to rule the world–Western politicians simply cannot comprehend this. He wants to destroy the liberal concept of Western democracies because their very existence poses a threat to his dictatorship.

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Chinese cars are basically spies on four wheels. In Israel, in Sweden or Norway, and in Japan, Chinese cars are not allowed anymore into military installations because where there are cameras, they are actively spying on the surroundings and sending this data back to China.

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What happens if you work too closely with China? First, you seem to have access to a big, big market and make a lot of money. But one day it’s over, and your whole industry base collapses. So if Canada decides to go that way with closer relations to China, look twice and be very careful, and you could lose more than you gain.

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If you’re getting very close to China, in the end you might not be in the driver’s seat of your own country or of your key industry, because the Chinese sooner or later will overtake your products and influence your domestic policy.

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    I never claimed to be an authority on Marxism, although I am flattered you think I am one. Marxism is an outdated economic philosophy that sounds lovely but has more plot holes than a Fast and Furious movie. I know enough about it to be sure that it would not work due to its ridiculous assumptions about society and human nature. Then there is you who holds Marxism up as a universal truth right up there with the Laws of Thermodynamics or the Theory of Relativity.

    I was never a “coloniser” of Hong Kong, just an immigrant living in what was a fantastic international city with my wife whose parents are from there, along with her family that still live there. What an idiotic attempt to disparage me and then try and use that to disparage my own views on socialism as an Irish person.

    The critical importance of them being the same class is that they both share a collective interest as a class, that interest being collectivization of production and distribution

    This is another one of your fallacies, this is where theory and reality clash and you can’t handle it. The doctor on $150,000+ is not nearly as incentivised as the farmer/worker on $5000. The doctor is at the top end of society and would like to stay that way. If communism was fully implemented tomorrow the next day you will quickly find all the doctors have emigrated unless you build a wall to keep them in. We all know the Chinese government is not above targeting the families of dissident emigrants, what a great system of government, imagine how much worse this will have to get?

    This does not mean variance within a class is sufficient to be a class of themselves.

    In your flawed opinion…

    The types of workers that most occupy the CPC do tend to be more educated, and therefore make more money, it’s true, but this is not a bad thing

    You sound an awful lot like a capitalist here!

    The working poor are not "fed some bullshit

    Yes they are, as the factory owners steal their surplus labor.

    Who cares if some few capitalists get wealthier if the whole of society prospers?

    Again, spoken like a true capitalist!

    Your arguments about “human nature” are, frankly, childish and absurd. Again, you make a mockery of yourself, thinking Marx never accounted for incentives.

    If my arguments are childish and absurd they should be easy to argue against. You don’t even try, resorting to ad hominem attacks, that’s low buddy. Marx did account for incentives, badly, especially in light of everything we have learned in the last 150 years regarding human psychology.

    You discredit the “comical idea of equal pay” instead of realising that this is a simplified explanation of the end stage of communism. Once the productive forces are so advanced that pay is no longer required we are at a situation where regardless of your job you get the same as everyone else. As someone who worked hard to get a well paid job, I would be out of my country if they tried pull that bullshit on me. This is the competitive nature of humans, why does some lazy asshole deserve the same as me when I work my hole off?

    is a hypothesis of an era where production and distribution is so advanced that anyone, regardless of background, is sufficiently trained to perform any act of labor in society and thus all labor be interchangeable.

    So when all the brain surgeons leave, Larry the farmer out in the field can interchangeably perform the brain surgery. Do you even read what you are writing? The plot holes are everywhere. Modern society is so much more specialised now than in the days of Marx.

    You then continue to embarrass yourself by claiming China has been an imperial power for its entire history, ignoring the century of humiliation when it was a colony

    Again your lack of historical knowledge is showing, China was never fully colonised by the Europeans during the century of humiliation. The Japanese did colonise parts of China for a few years last century. This also does not invalidate the fact that China was an imperial power. Losing a war does not erase the past or future, China has been blobbing out across the map since it began in the heartland. Xinjiang and Tibet are two of China’s more recent colonial expansions where they are actively committing cultural genocide and locking up the local Uyghur population in “re-education” centres. As you point fingers at western colonialism, pay attention to the 3 fingers pointing back at yourself you hypocrite. “Annexing territory is not imperialism” sure buddy, the Chinese people just needed lebensraum right?

    You occupy a stance that despices Marxism and Marxists

    I do not despise Marxism, as I said before it is a noble idea and a good starting point, but absolutely unworkable in real life. I do despise fanatical modern Marxists in a similar way to religious fanatics because it takes over their whole world view and ego. When the plot holes are pointed out they tend to defend the indefensible because their whole world will crash down if they can no longer be a Marxist.

    Regarding trade unions, the All China Federation of Trade Unions is extremely effective at supporting worker rights

    Which is why Chinese workers work in such shitty conditions with long hours and no work life balance? It is because the ruling party can accept no challenge to their absolute authoritarian control.

    Discussion of June 4th is not censored,

    the ones that are persecuted are the ones that uplift the color revolution as a good thing

    You have just contradicted yourself. Ceremonies rembering those that died in the heavy handed crackdown are a threat to the government.

    It isn’t a lengthy period of sacrifice for an eventual 180 pivot to communism, it’s a gradual process of constant improvement that results in higher degrees of socialization:

    This is the lie that is sold to placate the poor working class. Your great grandchildrens lives will be better if you just sacrifice for the good of the country. Wealth inequality in China has only been increasing rapidly in the last 30 years, this doesn’t sound like constant improvement to me? You say “workers wages have skyrocketed” this is true with the caveat that when you start from such a low starting point the initial gains are easy and look impressive in percentage terms, let’s see what happens now that the Chinese economy is slowing down and aging rapidly with increased global protectionism. My bet is the current trend in China of the wealthy getting wealthier will continue. I am not going to read your religious pamphlet and do not expect to convince you either because you have drank the kool aid of fundamentalism.

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      You open by stating that Marxism has plenty of holes, but you can’t seem to think of a single one to bring up. You defend your past as a colonizer and stating that colonial Hong Kong was “cool,” and again hide behind your Irish ancestry as though victims of colonialism cannot contribute to it. It’s all very desparate on your part.

      The biggest issue you bring up here is that you think the age where people can be split into surgeons and industrial laborers and the age where people will be paid according to need are the same (and notably, equal pay is never a thing, because need is unequal). When you reference end-stage communism, you are referring to an era where labor is fully interchangeable, both because of polytechnical education and tools making every job as easy as possible. Until that era is achieved, distribution will be according to labor, meaning higher skilled labor is paid more.

      You take such a simple confusion on your own part and then pretend you’ve cracked Marxism, but you never once elaborate on how economics has advanced since Marx. I fully accept the advancements of thinkers like Lenin, Cheng Enfu, Walter Rodney, etc, so it isn’t like Marxism is static either.

      The rest of your comment is a bunch of unsourced claims that came to you in a dream. Average working hours in China are typically around 47 hours per week. You also paint Xinjiang and Tibet as colonialism, without proving a colonial relationship, Tibet and Xinjiang are a part of China and are not pilfered of surplus value (in fact, many areas see more spending from the central government to uplift them).

      You also reject reading a short pamphlet on the grounds of it being “religious,” which is ridiculous. Roland Boer is a professor of Marxism in China that studies the Chinese system, there is no better way to quickly grasp how the Chinese system functions from a Chinese perspective than this. All it is is relaying how their system works, if simple facts are religion to you then it’s no wonder that you cannot even comprehend basic facts about China and Marxism.

      Here’s a prediction of my own: worker wages will continue to rapidly rise. Wealth inequality will rise in the short run, but by the end of the century there will be a reverse in trend as developing industries advance beyond the point at which marketization is useful, and are increasingly folded into the public sector. This trend will continue until all of the economy is fully planned.

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        You open by stating that Marxism has plenty of holes, but you can’t seem to think of a single one to bring up

        Yes I did, you attempt to answer one of them, poorly, in your next paragraph and don’t even acknowledge the one about why anyone would clean the sewers if they had no financial need or motivation to. The rest of the paragraph is trying to paint me somehow and without explanation as a coloniser. This is all the more ridiculous when put beside your denials of China’s own actual colonialism.

        The biggest issue you bring up here is that you think the age where people can be split into surgeons and industrial laborers and the age where people will be paid according to need are the same

        No I don’t, you are the one jumping around through the phases of communism. I am separating them into the now horribly unequal current China and the fantasy land of the future. I am arguing that the fantasy future is unworkable in reality and sold as an opiate to the masses because it keeps the workers from revolting.

        you are referring to an era where labor is fully interchangeable, both because of polytechnical education and tools making every job as easy as possible

        How far away are we from a time where brain surgery is interchangable and as easy as cleaning a toilet? If this was actually implemented the doctor’s would all just leave the country and go where their labor gets the compensation it deserves. Humans will always have differing levels of competence and why should the most competent subsidise the least or the lazy? Really though, how will you stop these people leaving the state?

        but you never once elaborate on how economics has advanced since Marx.

        There has been 150 years since Marx passed, do you really feel as though economics has not advanced in this time as had every other scientific discipline. There are entire university degrees covering all of these advancements. If communism is so great, how come no country has even gotten close to a full communist system? It has been almost 200 years since the publication of “The Communist Manifesto”.

        The rest of your comment is a bunch of unsourced claims that came to you in a dream. [Average working hours in China are typically around 47 hours per week

        Working hours in China increased from 48.2 hours per week in August 2026 to 48.3 in September 2026. This was also in the link you sent me, it looks as though the average working hours is increasing in China if you compare these current figures with your 9 year average figure of 47 hours.

        https://tradingeconomics.com/china/average-weekly-hours

        This is still a long average working week compared to the EU average of 35.9 hours per week. This is also just the average and does not include the massive and increasing amount of gig workers in China. The 996 culture was only outlawed in 2021 and still persists off the books. You’re a great man for using government headline figures and ignoring the lived reality.

        https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/society-equity/china-tries-call-time-its-996-culture-long-hours--ecmii-2025-09-01/

        You also paint Xinjiang and Tibet as colonialism, without proving a colonial relationship

        You appear to be suffering from a case of delusional selective colonialism. Do you actually need a history lesson here? China invaded Tibet in October 1950, defeating the much smaller Tibetan army and forced the signing of the 17 point agreement under duress in May of 1951 formally annexing Tibet into China. Tibet had an uprising in 1959 with a strong crackdown by the Chinese resulting in somewhere between 15,000-85,000 deaths depending on the source. Since then China has suppressed the population and their culture and language, operated forced labor (is it not called surplus value when they are not paying them?) and destroyed thousand of Buddhist monasteries. This entire country was annexed for geopolitical reasons, do I need to explain these to you too?

        Xinjiang was also annexed around the same time and the local muslim Uyghur population have been forced into “re-education centres” with an unknown prison population likely 1 to 1.5 million detained since 2017. Does the forced labor in these prisons not count as surplus value stoled either? How is this any better than any other countries colonisation?

        In both of these countries capitals the Han Chinese population is increasing rapidly through migration. You accuse me of being a coloniser for living in Hong Kong for a few years. I didn’t annex the place though did I? Your hypocrisy is ridiculous, you call me desperate and then go and make a fool of yourself, this is too easy buddy, you make yourself look stupid and don’t even realise it.

        in fact, many areas see more spending from the central government to uplift them).

        We also got the lie in Ireland about how much England gave us in infrastructure and development while they raped our country. You imperial types are all the same.

        you cannot even comprehend basic facts about China and Marxism.

        My whole point is that China is not Marxist, not even close. You are a religious fanatics who clings to the fantasy that it will be someday with nothing more than “trust me bro” to back it up. There are many countries around the world, mostly in the EU, that are far more socialist and equal in terms of wealth distribution and do not require an authoritarian state to accomplish this. You then launch into a pointless prediction, your dreams have nothing of value to add to this conversation, lets stick to reality please. Dreams are all you have because reality paints a far bleaker picture.

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          You keep pretending Marxism is about dogmatically paying everyone equally, and I have explained time and time again that you are confusing late-stage communism with early-stage socialism. Nobody has ever suggested anyone gets paid equally, and payment according to labor exists well into the later stages of socialism. You keep pretending China is hypocritical for not being Utopians and instead being pragmatic Marxists, but this point still seems to stick for you even though it’s utterly baseless.

          As for advancements since Marx, I agree! Lenin, Walter Rodney, Cheng Enfu, and many other economists have carried his work forward. You haven’t given any examples, though, just continued to defend your own colonial adventures in Hong Kong while defending the European safety nets achieved by pilfering the surplus value of the global south.

          The bits on “forced labor” are entirely unsourced on your part. Tibet was a feudal slave society before integration into the PRC, where slavery was abolished. Both Uyghur and Tibetan culture and language are preserved, with courses on Mandarin being promoted alongside them. You have no clue what you’re talking about here, and equating Tibet and Xinjiang with Ireland is horrendously insulting to Irish anti-imperialists like James Connolly. Do better than insulting your own people.

          China is absolutely Marxist, social ownership is the principal aspect of the economy and the working class controls the state. Equating imperialist countries in Europe that have private ownership as principal and capitalist dominated states with socialism, purely because they distribute the spoils pilfered from the global south to their labor aristocracy, is laughable.

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            You keep pretending Marxism is about dogmatically paying everyone equally, and I have explained time and time again that you are confusing late-stage communism with early-stage socialism

            I’m not confusing anything, I understand perfectly well that China is not a communist country and has terrible wealth inequality that is increasing by the year. The transition to full communism is a lie sold to the workers so the factory owners can continue to exploit the workers surplus labor.

            As for advancements since Marx, I agree! Lenin, Walter Rodney, Cheng Enfu, and many other economists have carried his work forward. You haven’t given any examples,

            I could list off a few economists too but I fail to see the point.

            just continued to defend your own colonial adventures in Hong Kong while defending the European safety nets achieved by pilfering the surplus value of the global south.

            You have still failed to explain how my adventures were colonial. You have also skipped over the part where I discussed the increasing migrant Han Chinese populations in the annexed capitals of Xinjiang and Tibet and how that is not colonialism. Your own arguments are not even consistent.

            The bits on “forced labor” are entirely unsourced on your part.

            https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2026/01/un-experts-alarmed-reports-forced-labour-uyghur-tibetan-and-other-minorities

            Here you go buddy, I can find hundreds more if needed.

            Tibet was a feudal slave society before integration into the PRC, where slavery was abolished

            I come from Ireland and have heard plenty of colonial justifications like this from you imperialists. You think you civilised the savages do you? Nobody asked you to. Your colonial excuses are as ridiculous as Topographica Hibernica from 800 years ago, I’ve heard them all before.

            You have no clue what you’re talking about here, and equating Tibet and Xinjiang with Ireland is horrendously insulting to Irish anti-imperialists like James Connolly.

            Don’t you be trying to warp my history to suit you imperial agenda and keep James Connollys name out of your mouth while you do it. He knew exactly what colonialism was and would recognise and empathise with the struggles of the Uyghur and Tibetan people. Connolly was anti imperialist to the core and has written extensively on the subject. You are tying yourself into knots trying to deny the obvious truth that China is an imperial nation.

            China is absolutely Marxist

            They are selectively Marxist not absolutely.

            purely because they distribute the spoils pilfered from the global south to their labor aristocracy, is laughable.

            We haven’t even gotten into China’s neo colonialism and debt trap diplomacy but I’m sure that you will deny that too. You’re a robot programmed to believe “Western imperialism bad, China imperialism good and justified.” I am from neither a western or eastern imperial state and I see through all of you. You are just as bad as them but you can’t even see it from inside the machine.

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              The transition to communism, a fully collectivized economy, is built on highly centralized productive forces. Markets naturally centralize over time, and erase their own basis. Unless you think the progress of time doesn’t exist, then thus process will continue to unfold naturally. The fact that markets centralize, and the fact that planned economy is more efficient with centralized production than with non-centralized production, is not a “lie.” It’s basic economics.

              The utility of listing off economists that have advanced on Marx in a manner that disproves him is in putting forth a positive position, rather than a negative, ie putting your back behind something you believe in, rather than rejecting understanding.

              As for Han populations increasing, this isn’t colonialism. Colonialism involves pilfering the surplus of a colonial territory while stripping them of their own sovereignty. To the contrary, money flows from the central government to the local governments in Xinjiang and Tibet at far greater rates than flows out. Connolly was anti-imperialist to the core, correct, which is why you do him a disgrace by labeling every socialist government you don’t like as colonial or neocolonial. This isn’t a “civilize the savages” argument like you imply, it’s the fact that Xinjiang and Tibet are a part of China, are not being culturally erased but instead being culturally protected, and are soveriegn within China.

              China isn’t neocolonial nor does it debt trap. This is baseless. The west is actively imperialist. The west uses financial domination of the global south, including dollar hegemony, IP monopoly, unequal exchange, and more to extract as much surplus from the global south as possible. China does not, and the reason it does not is because it isn’t dominated by private finance capital. Private finance capital is the main driver of imperialism as a stage in capitalism, and because you have not looked into the causes of imperialism and neocolonialism and have not looked at the numbers, you assume that the socialists must be guilty as well:

              You have no sticking points. You reject materialist analysis in favor of vibes.