SnoopSqueak

Only this week they had the discovery of (one of many) torture prisons

Ahem: “yeah, nobody with a brain can swallow that BS.” It was not a torture dungeon.

“Inside the building, Kyrylo Budanov also found a 14-year-old boy. The boy had entered the grounds by climbing a tree and crossing over the fence after the clashes had already begun. He was not being detained alongside the mobilized men”.

https://www.factchecker.gr/2026/11/04/the-14-year-old-supposedly-found-in-an-azov-battalion-prison-in-kyiv-was-not-a-detainee/

Projection. This was your reply to me:

You know, being deliberately obtuse and playing dumb isn’t as clever as Reddit debatelords seem to think

Instead of answering my question. You think that’s engaging in discussion?

Still waiting for evidence.

Your image of Ukraine and Ukrainians is exactly the image the US government and corporate media want you to have. That’s how they manufacture consent.

Your image of Ukraine and Ukrainians is exactly the image the Russian government and corporate media want you to have. That’s how they manufacture consent.

The far-right presence in Ukraine is drastically exaggerated to justify invasion.

If you had a point, I assume you’d make it.

Innocent people are dying because fools are parroting baseless claims.

Do you have a source for that?

Crucially, in late 2014, Azov was absorbed into the Ukrainian National Guard, allowing greater state oversight, with considerable attention paid to cleansing the ranks of far-right elements, in what should be recognised as an example of successful deradicalisation.

https://lens.monash.edu/much-azov-about-nothing-how-the-ukrainian-neo-nazis-canard-fooled-the-world/

Many baseless stories are repeated. The right-wing presence is exaggerated.

Since then, the rhetoric has only intensified on Russian television. In the last week, there have been claims that gangs of “unknown armed people” have crossed from Ukraine into Russia, without offering any evidence. There have also been suggestions that hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian “refugees” have been forced to flee Ukraine for Russia, prompting a humanitarian crisis. (The pictures used by one Russian channel of border queues turned out to be routine queues at a Ukraine-Poland border.)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/04/russian-propaganda-ukrainian-rumours-anger-hate-crimea

Moscow’s disinformation messages have included widely debunked conspiracy theories about US bioweapon labs in Ukraine, and pet themes on the American right that portray the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, as an ally in backing traditional values, religion and family in the fight against “woke” ideas.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/16/russia-disinformation-us-far-right-republicans-ukraine

Although historians say Putin’s assertions about the need to liberate Ukraine from the grip of neo-Nazis and genocide against ethnic Russians in Ukraine are false propaganda, the repeated assertions from Putin and other Russian officials had at least one American politician questioning aid to Ukraine.

“Neo-Nazi, far right and xenophobic groups do exist in Ukraine, like in pretty much any other country, including Russia,” Finkel said. “They are vocal and can be prone to violence but they are numerically small, marginal and their political influence at the state level is non-existent. That is not to say that Ukraine doesn’t have a far-right problem. It does. But I would consider the KKK in the US and skinheads and neo-Nazi groups in Russia a much bigger problem and threat than the Ukrainian far right.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/the-facts-on-de-nazifying-ukraine/

Multiple experts on the region said the claim that Ukraine is corrupted by Nazis is false. President Volodymyr Zelensky, who received 73 percent of the vote when he was elected in 2019, is Jewish, and all far-right parties combined received only about 2 percent of parliamentary votes in 2019 — short of the 5 percent threshold for representation.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/07/02/world/europe/ukraine-nazis-russia-media.html

There is also no proof of any U.S.-run biological weapons labs in Ukraine. And Putin’s claims to be protecting Ukrainians from Nazis, and protecting ethnic Russians from genocide, are nonsense. Putin’s argument that far-right nationalists and Nazis control the government of Ukraine ignores the reality that President Volodymyr Zelensky is Jewish. Meanwhile, Putin’s trumped-up concern for native Russian speakers is based on a January 2022 provision requiring Ukrainian media publications to use the Ukrainian language. There is no proof, however, of any genocide against native Russian speakers in Ukraine.

https://www.mediamatters.org/russias-invasion-ukraine/far-right-figures-are-justifying-russias-war-ukraine-and-some-cases-even

Instead of slinging slop at me, focus.

How can we tell how large and influential the right-wing presence in Ukraine is? We need some kind of standard, not just inflammatory pictures and baseless claims.

I think you’ve been fooled.

The Right Sector’s website and social media pages feature pictures of heavily armed, masked men. Such images have provided the Russian media with fodder for newscasts about extremism in Ukraine.

During the Soviet era, the idea of Ukrainian national sovereignty was purposely joined to the ultra-nationalist movement led by the OUN and the UPA as a way to discredit the idea of an independent Ukrainian state.

At the peak of their activities, the UPA had 40,000 members. In comparison, there were about 5 million Ukrainians in the Soviet army.

As for ultra-nationalists like the Right Sector, they are likely to just disappear as a political group, said Shekhovtsov. “The Ukrainian people have no taste for political extremism.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2014/5/20/ukraines-far-right-popular-or-propaganda

Israel is commiting state terrorism and more people should call it what it is.

What is YOUR point? Therefore, Ukraine should be labeled a terrorist state for defending themselves?

I consider invasion and genocide terrorism, which Israel is actively committing against Palestine. But I guess I’m not “the west,” I just live here. We have many politicians actively condemning Israel’s actions. I agree we could use more, and more action to help those being attacked.

What are you talking about? Ukraine recognizes the State of Palestine and voted against Israel"s occupation of it. Israel voted against affirming Ukraine’s territorial integrity.

I don’t know. Are these the fabled Russian bots? Lol

The Soviet Union dissolved and Ukraine gained independence in 1991.

Russia occupied and annexed Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula in 2014.

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022.

What am I missing? Russia is the aggressor.

The ones invading the others (Russia, Israel) are the aggressors. It’s not complicated.

The US is also an aggressor against Iran. These are all regrettable acts of needless violence that must be defended against.

Let’s get more specific.

Russia is the aggressor against Ukraine.

Israel is the aggressor against Palestine.

Do not confuse attacker with defender.

The old testament (the Jewish bible) introduces the concept of a chosen people being promised certain land (the holy land, israel, zion) by god. Over time, that land becomes occupied by other people, so god says he will help his chosen people drive them out.

I will give into your hands the people who live in the land, and you will drive them out before you.

Not all Jewish people take this literally, but it is the basis of Zionism.

The new testament (christianity) expanded the chosen people from exclusively Jewish people to any person who accepted Jesus christ.

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

In the 1800s and 1900s, rabbis and others began “settling” in Palestine with the goal of making it a Jewish state, kicking off the Israeli-Palestine conflict.

Like Jewish people, some christians support Zionism, some don’t. It has biblical basis, but no basis in observable reality. There is no verifiable correct interpretation of the bible, which is a vague and contradictory text all the way through.

Is Ukraine supposed to politely allow themselves to be slaughtered?

answers that perhaps science is unable or unwilling to put forth.

Oh, you didn’t know what science is. It’s not a person.

What’s the deal with platypi? Or UFOs? Because science is really dragging their heels on those.

Science is the process by which we acquire, refine, and communicate knowledge while minimizing our known human biases. Unlike theology, it is verifiable, peer review is an important part of the process. You don’t have to take my word that gravity exists, we can demonstrate it.

“What are things?” you ask, but you have it backwards. Humans describe what they sense and invent categories to organize their knowledge. We call a platypus an animal, a living being, based on how we have defined those terms. Arguably there are no “things” in the universe, it’s all energy in motion. We arbitrarily draw lines where we see them. Some categorizations are more useful than others.

Scientists are human beings who practice science. Theologians are human beings who assert things as true despite lacking any evidence. I disagree with your perspective that a historical study of religious texts is the same as theology. I think it’s very important that we distinguish between claims for which we have overwhelming evidence and claims for which we have none.

The rational response is to acknowledge that every god is almost certainly fiction.

We can talk about history, we can analyze texts, but there is seemingly no actual god to study, no verifiable answers to any theological questions because someone somewhere has made an opposite claim with the exact same lack of evidence. People must stop reinforcing deadly delusions. It’s in our shared best interests to believe whatever is most likely true, not whatever we want to be true.

Heheh. Ok.

People are dying because grown adults believe in magic. I don’t know why you’re laughing.