Sorry if this comes as a shock to some, but underneath the DSA facade Hasan is and has always been a “vote blue no matter who” Democrat shill.
“Israel” is a penal colony that should be closed forever. There’s no all true ally siding with Israel or living there.
Agreed. Hasan and these other non-revolutionary so-called “leftists” are nothing more than counter-revolutionaries funneling countless folks in desperate need of a revolutionary overthrow of the current system into the trap of the antlion that is the Democratic Bourgeois Party. Straight into the maw of the beast that has contributed to the same imperialist policy of their Republican counterparts abroad and austerity, repression and police violence for the working masses at home.
The correct, revolutionary path for Palestine is one without Israel, Zionism, and the human pox bearing the national label of “Israeli”. Israel has no right to exist. Its existence is predicated on reactionary, racist violence. In what world do we live in that anyone who would even dare consider themselves revolutionary or Marxist would support an openly and unmistakable colony and extension of Western capital? I understand why Marxist Leninists have to do purges. Anyone who ignores historical events and developments that led to the existence of this evil ethnostate needs to be gulaged at the very least.
You literally cannot have one without the other. Embarrassing stuff
There is still a South Africa after apartheid. I’m guessing that’s what this refers to.
Well yeah but South Africa is at least a country with a history, Israel is not, it can only exist as a settler colony
Yeah, that turned out well. Didn’t it?
it’s definitely what Hasan is referring to. i disagree with him a lot but posts like this are uncharitable.
Revolution is not Charity. We do not win people over in the marketplace of ideas by presenting the best ad.
here we go again
the Hasan bad struggle session never ends
i agree, it’s astonishing to me that there’s any debate at all about hasan piker. the man showed his ass a long time ago.
I personally think streamers are inherently socially estranging in the sense that you are forced to develop a para-social relationship (or a simulacrum of one) with that said person to enjoy the content or understand their personal struggle/conditions. It’s always better to talk to people, even if most Americans are pieces of fucking shit.
I agree, I think that’s a good way to put it. Streamers come with bad side effects that talking to other “regular” people don’t. And parasocially bonding with a streamer lacks the one-to-one ties that building even acquaintance level relationships with other people does. Even 100 people who are all bonded with each other can do a lot. 1 streamer with 10k fans can’t do more than be an “influencer” because none of their fans are actually bonded to them and most of them are not bonded with each other meaningfully either. So there is no material base with which to build an org, a reading group, anything that requires persistent organization beyond voluntarily showing up to an online space to listen to one person talk. Figures like this can do the occasional virtual charity drive, but these are abstracted forms of charity, where people virtually and voluntarily give donations to a specified organization; no organized gathering of materials and distributing them to people, no passing out literature or talking about an org’s political program with people, etc.
It’s all very shallow in impact, in other words. It’s not without any impact, but it lacks what is needed for movement building, while allowing the viewer to still feel like they’re part of something.
Fuck your charitability! It got us bigots like John Fetterman in 2022 and almost got us Platner this November.
I love reformists. So fun.
The Pipeline is looking pretty busted right now.
I find it revolting how we are supposed to validate the 1967 pre-conquests because? Idk time. The original residents are not dead, there millions of palestine still under israhelli oppression even in UN-recognized borders of the entity.
I’m getting a bit tired of leftists fighting over differences in messaging. Hasan’s framing around Palestine has always been that there is currently 1 state (isntrael) because the isntraelis rule over all of Palestine. Therefore his demands are for Palestinians to get equal rights in addition to the right to return to their ancestral home and that all war criminals get put to justice. This means the destruction of isntrael, because it would make the Palestinians a majority who can decide over their own land (including its name and flag). Hasan says that latter part often enough that it’s ridiculous to pretend that he wants to preserve isntrael.
He’s just using a different messaging strategy. You can (and should) scrutinise his messaging strategy, but you’re just making things up if you imply that he’s not on our side on Palestine.
You think a socdem endorsing graham platner, Ro Khanna, and Brad Landers is an ally to Palestine? The fight agency shill who is trying to normalize israelis as victims and misunderstood, I quote, “There’s hella Israeli Hasanabiheads;” is an ally to the Palestinian cause? Personally it seems indicative of a potential parasocial attachment to Hasan.
Judging by the downvotes without any rebuttal it seems we got a couple of succdems lurking in our community. Don’t think we don’t know how to weed 'em out
We arent “leftists” we are Marxist-Leninists. We read and we critique each other to better ourselves. His messaging “strategy” is a Fight Agency partnership to sheepdog people into the democratic party.
2 objects cannot occupy the same space. israel’s existance is predicated on the destruction of Palestine. There is no peace to be had with zionists. They see all non-zionists as sub human and will not honor a deal with sub-humans. Ethostates are incapable of existing in peace.
israel must be destroyed just as the the third reich was. (only more because clearly the third reich isn’t as destroyed enough.)
There is no “messaging strategy” here what he is saying is capitulation to imperialism.
I don’t think you read my comment
I’m getting a bit tired of leftists fighting over differences in messaging
Me too, and I think that all these self-proclaimed MLs just succumbed to another cultural war. They were fooled into thinking that only pure intentions/actions are worthy, and any compromise is liberal betrayal. I guess they don’t understand materialism after all.
It is quite obvious that Israel would just cease to exist if Palestinians had equal political rights, but for these “MLs” doesn’t matter, they just want to post the “fell for it again” meme one more time.
“israel would cease to exist if Palestinians had equal political rights”
Yeah sure just like how South Africa is a perfect post-colonial paradise? You claim to be a materialist but you contradict yourself in your very own post.
Got me in the first half.
