Bruh the Nords ain’t the natives.
well it’s not like Ysgramor left a lot of the native elves in a state to complain.
Who is downvoting this? The forsworn are native.
I mean it’s getting a bit loose with the term native. The Nords have been there a long fucking time.
Humans on Earth are only native to Africa, but unique cultures have evolved elsewhere
I don’t consider the Maori indigenous to New Zealand for this reason. They arrived there after Europeans landed on North America. Although when I think about that it makes me wonder how long a culture/ethnicity has to exist in an area before it is Indigenous.
I’d argue it means the opposite.
In terms of Skyrim though the nords have been there for about 4,000 years.
I’d say if you’re the first people there congrats you’re that Natives. If you’ve replaced/eliminated the original population and lived there at least 1,000 years congrats you’re the natives.
Honestly the timing is arbitrary, I pick 1,000 because in modern day it’s nearly impossible to track back descent that far. Very very few people can. In a society like Skyrim I’d argue it’s after the last person that remembers that last person that moved there. About 6 generations or so
They’re not either. The dwemer and falmer are the natives.
But the dwemer fucked off / killed themselves while summoning their omnissiah (iirc the lore gets a bit weird), and the falmer… well… yeah.
Well, the Falmer were there first really. They were subsequently enslaved by the Dwemer. Then the Atmorans (Nord) came along and performed a genocide and have been butthurt about it ever since.
*enslaved by the dwemer because the Atmorans were genociding them and the dwemer said they would save them.
Skyrim belongs to the Falmer!
You don’t understand, I’m changing the stormcloaks from within
/uj it makes zero narrative sense to run off with the guy who was overseeing your execution, to the point that I don’t think it should be an option. It would be better if they made you go with the stormcloaks at first but then showed how flawed they were and gave you the opportunity to switch sides later
The main story of that game is fucking awful. I get they wanted to introduce some choice, and wanted that choice to somewhat kinda feel justified but JESUS did they do a shitty job.
Instead of giving us a messy political situation, where either party may have some legitimate claim to the land, they gave us Southern nationalists versus Northern racists who were here first and you’re meant to pick which one you like more.
Gee would I rather kill for the guys that literally don’t want me here, or kill for the guys that literally tried to kill me for being here? HARD FUCKING QUESTION.
I think I played through the main storyline once to completion, and every time before and after that I just skipped it once I got the rewards I wanted.
I don’t know that they care much for choice. Skyrim is really watered down in terms of roleplaying aspects compared to Oblivion, which in turn is really watered down compared to Morrowind.
Hell some genuinely complain about Morrowind not being a good RPG because of it missing aspects from Daggerfall, like the whole having to go to court if you commit a crime.
When it comes to Skyrim, I think the strength begins and ends in the world building. The characters are flat and uninspired. The quests are flat and uninspired. The voice acting is cringe and uninspired. If they’d bothered to write more engaging storylines, and have more than one pivotal character have a unique voice actor, they could’ve made something really nice.
Now it’s a nice sandbox, and you can have some nice experiences, but I wouldn’t call it a good RPG. Or a good action game. A fun sandbox world and modding platform with subpar quests and dungeons.
I fight for the one true cause. Shouting goats off the mountain.
Fus-Ro-Baaah
The “natives” who are racist as fuck. I am still thinking about supporting empire because fuck Ulfric, but there is a long time before I come back to Skyrim yet again
The Nords’ early experience with elves was being the victims of genocide so it’s not like it comes from nowhere.
The Nords’ early experience with elves was being the victims of genocide
The lore leaves this ambiguous though. There’s lore that states that the Nords attacked first, and lore that states that the Falmer attacked first. What followed was a war that in the end left the Falmer driven underground, all but wiped out.
Some lore claim that the Nords justification for this is false. History tends to be written by the victors, so I lean more towards that theory, honestly. It seems unlikely that the Nords managed to re-populate with only Ysgramor and his two sons remaining. The inbreeding would explain why they all sound so dumb, though.
Its not racist to resist change from outsiders who happen to be another race.
But they aren’t just resisting change. They openly talk about purging all the argonians and khajiit, etc.
it is racist to treat argonians like shit, for example
Or to openly talk about purging your new ethnonation.
