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I didn’t expected this kind of thing to show up today.
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I don’t want to use a vibecode slop that isnt tested by real humans.
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I just want a secure and privacy respecting email not ai slop.
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Good Bye Proton I am Not Happy With You
Any Suggestion ?
- I want drive and calender support
- Made by humans not slop machine.
- FOSS
- May Be a Linux Client Support
Your job is to push the limits of what the LLM can do autonomously, step in for the things that it cannot, and always think of how you can improve the status quo.
and always think of how you can improve the status quo.
I hate this timeline.
I’m on a multi-year sub unfortunately… I guess I’ll still move out whatever I can and just set myself up to not use them
This exactly for me. At least it’ll give me time to find the best alternative once everyone settled into their perspective services
Tutanota is a paid service with a calendar app and email client app on Android and iOS. Fdroid availability too. For desktop, AppImage for major Linux distros, including Arch, Debian, Mint, Fedora, etc. I like it so far. My favorite is all the free aliases so that my spam goes somewhere else. My personal email never gets any nonsense.
Clients are Open Source. The service is paid, but I’d rather pay a bit instead of deal with BS. Nothing is free and they have to pay for those servers to run and keep shit in production. It just 3€ a month to get email, use of custom domains, 20GB storage, unlimited calendars, and you can select a family option to add more people for the same price. You can use 3 custom domains. Not sure if you get the domains or just carry them over, but I’d like to know.
Tuta drive is launching in a few months.
I’m also interested in disroot. Check that out. I’ve also tried kolabnow which I thought was okay but didn’t use it to long. I kind of forgot about it.
"The LLM is fast. You are slow, but you carry with you a lifetime of experience, judgment calls, and understanding. "
I hope their next great plan is to extend life expectancy, because without a new wave of experienced humans, this plan is shortsighted.
“It should come as a surprise to no one at Proton, least of all in engineering, that software engineering has irrevocably changed this year if not before”
Yep, I’ve never had to fix so many bugs and resolve so many production outages in a single year as I’ve done this year. AI is great. Couldn’t be happier. /s
Remember when Windows updates could be moderately trusted to not irrevocably brick devices if not run smoothly
There are plenty of alternatives, including Posteo.de and Mailbox.org.
My friend likes posteo. I hear good things but never tried it.
Both of which support every client via IMAP and SMTP instead of inventing their own protocol for no fucking reason.
It’s almost entertaining at this point to see how out of touch they are. Many Proton users chose them because they were supposed to be the anti-techbro alternative to Google and Micro$oft, and alas, instead of actually taking a look in the mirror, they double down instead.
I predicted this and argued with so many people about Proton being a shitty company. I am not even happy about this, just sad that so many people wasted their time and money.
Is buying my own domain and paying for tuta the move guys?
Definitely buy for your own domain.
Sadly it’s the only way of having “portability” for mails
Tuta? Sure Infonaniak? Why not? The next thing? We will see Self hosting? Maybe you’ll have enough time to do that one day
The only way to have control of your digital destiny is portability
I switched over to Tuta. Not sure I can escape developers using AI, but I can escape a CEO with a giant ego.
they gave some hints when their ceo started praising fascists.
Yeah. I know thats when I canceled business with them.
I gotta say I’m getting real tired of having to change my email on every service over and over and over.
Custom domains
This is what I need to do, yeah. That way the underlying provider is all that changes. Good call!
True
This is why I self-host, with my own domain 😁
This is not the death of expertise. The LLM is fast. You are slow, but you carry with you a lifetime of experience, judgment calls, and understanding.
Listen up Bart, you dumb fuck. If you willingly cede all this creation to the LLM then the last generation of fucking people with expertise are the ones working now! Go down this road and It dies with them.
Because who’s going to bother to learn code when it’s all brain dead chodes like you running the show and telling everyone to hand over the reins…. Oh but of course we’re still the one at fault if something goes wrong because we’re the manager and “Not only are you responsible for the work getting done, you also now own how it gets done.”
Holy fucking Christ, I don’t know if I ever ever gone 180 on an organization as quickly as I have on this one over the past week.
Currently the situation at where I work. I get paid to lobotomize a bit of myself every single day
Honestly sounds like my average day before LLMs too
Thank God, i was thinking it was the Proton compatibility layer for Linux…
Why has productivity not increased dramatically if everyone is using LLMs all the time already?
I have NOT heard of a company whose productivity increased dramatically though (but the quality goes down, I wonder why).
There are startups that are getting PoCs faster, but thats about it.
Well they fired a lot of people, which means that the people that are not fired need to become more productive in order to keep up… but indeed the quality has been going down for many services.
Well they fired a lot of people
I can’t find any news about proton firing people.
You were talking about “a company”, so I said “they” ie companies in general that replace their workforce by AI.
Ahh, gotcha. Have an updoot.








