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  • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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    8 days ago

    Everything said is horrible, but I don’t understand why they (whomever wrote the text) had to state that they are native American. By the accent, I’d wager Colombia, maybe Venezuela. But again, it should not and does not matter where they were born. They are human beings.

    EDIT: Since a few have decided to run their mouths but not make the effort to check, I checked. His name is Adonys Mata Martinez, a Venezuelan born rapper who bravely spoke out about the conditions at the facility where he was held.

    https://www.latintimes.com/venezuelan-rapper-adonys10-sounds-alarm-ice-detention-louisiana-there-are-76-people-one-cell-598543

    • madmantis24@lemmy.wtf
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      9 days ago

      I agree, but it does matter because the supporters will argue from the legalistic perspective that this was somehow deserved for “not immigrating the right way” or somehow being some kind of “criminal” in a different way that’s still convenient for them

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      8 days ago

      native americans are not necessarily just from the continental us. several tribes territory lay on both sides of borders of many modern countries. Its one of the points of contention with border walls and wild animal crossing.

      • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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        8 days ago

        Sure, but that accent puts them WAY south, and nowhere near a US border.

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          8 days ago

          sure but the term native american refers to the new world continents. its used more often here and indigenous people is used more in canada and such.

      • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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        8 days ago

        ICE absolutely are. So why lie about these guys? What he was saying was powerful enough. Calling them native American, when they are clearly not, only takes away from the victim’s powerful message.

          • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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            8 days ago

            Because they speak in Spanish with a South American accent?

            Let’s make sure we have our definitions straight. Native American is the term used to describe the peoples who lived in the lands now known as the United States. In other countries they might be refered to as indigenous, or First Peoples, but in the US it is Native American or previously American Indian.

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              8 days ago

              are you intentionally applying kavenaugh logic or are you actually this fucking ignorant

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              8 days ago

              The guy talking is telling the camera about the other prisoners there.

              All your doing is showing your true colors.

              • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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                8 days ago

                I understand every word he speaks. I can even recognize his regional accent. No subtitles needed. In the clip shown, he makes no mention of anyone’s citizenship or race, nor does he need to because it shouldn’t matter. What he describes is awful enough without the need to muddy the water with made up shit.

                I am ~28 African American, and ~15% Native American. My grandmother, a green eyed woman of French and Italian descent, married a Black and native man, and raised a mixed child in the 1950’s. Those are my true colors, so fuck you kindly.

      • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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        8 days ago

        Technically correct.

        It just bugs me when people make shit up because it takes away from the real story. The conditions in that ICE facility are unforgivable and those responsible deserve prison time. Lies give room for the fascists to point and say that the entire thing is a lie. There’s no need to embellish this man’s horrific accounts.