It’s never the time

  • Hacksaw@lemmy.ca
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    18 days ago

    Right, we need to act outside the electoral system if we want real change, 100% agreed. How does spending 1 hour every few years to vote for a party who won’t round up your neighbours into ICE concentration camps, take away abortion rights, gut environmental regulations, and oppress your LGBT+ friends and family change that?

    That’s the part I don’t get. Voting liberal/Democrat/whatever clearly helps MANY people materially. How does not voting help?

    I’m in no way saying voting is enough, or voting will solve our problems, or get us out of neoliberalism. I’m just asking what material gain for your lives and the lives of oppressed people are you making by not voting that’s better than voting liberal?

    Are you just hoping conservative victories will lead us to revolution through accelerationism? I just don’t get it.

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        17 days ago

        Since accelerationism was coined in 2010, the term has taken on several new meanings. The term has been used to advocate for making capitalism as destructive as possible in order to cause a revolution against it.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism

        It’s BARELY a change in definition. Most accelerationists in their delusion believe that we can ignore the bad/the contradictions in capitalism as we hasten towards some kind of technological or political salvation that will save us. This meaning just takes away the delusion and leaves the destruction, because that’s actually what will happen.

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          17 days ago

          Lmao the term isn’t from the 2010’s what kind of dumbass wrote that Article? And what kind of dumbass goes to wikipedia for political education?

          That’s the same definition with less academic language. Accumulated capital within empire is the most destructive form.
          It is also not a definition that fits with what you wrote. An accelerationist is not just someone who “wants bad things to happen quickly.” Even within your doodoo brain definition accelerating the destructive forces of capital is significantly different from just “wanting destruction”. Of course one should not expect anything but asinine reduction of scientific terms from right-wing freaks like you, who do not seek to understand, but merely subjugate to serve your most immediate needs.

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            17 days ago

            Well then fix it since you’re so much more educated than everyone else. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone who has the sources to back the edit.

            You’re the epitome of this meme: all theory, no praxis

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              17 days ago

              Sorry I dont volunteer for organisations started by zionists, nor organisations with a massive issue with nazi infiltration, nor organisations with a massive western imperialist bias with regards to sources, nor organisations with widely documented issues of power users and admins abusing their position. Since Wikipedia is all of that I see no value in wasting my time working on a broken institution, when there are so many other more worthwhile projects.
              More importantly, which you conveniently missed, I do not use it as the basis of my political education.
              You also missed the rest, but I figure you did that because you got mad I told you I didnt read your hallucinations.

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                17 days ago

                Oh the list of organizations you’re not involved in is nearly infinite. That’s why I said “all theory, no praxis”

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                  16 days ago

                  “Oh, you don’t work in the Reichstag doing harm reduction? Some communist you are.”

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      18 days ago

      The short answer is that democrats aren’t just not good enough, they are actively detrimental to all the causes you mentioned. Democrats expanded the ICE concentration camps (that Trump took over from Obama by the way), abortion rights were taken away under JOE BIDEN who DID NOTHING despite getting AMPLE WARNING, they likewise fuck over the environment and oppress queer people. So voting democrat clearly harms many people materially. Voting for them does not help.

      THIS was the actual democratic party candidate

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      Newsom targets trans people

      Chicago Police has had “black sites” for decades

      Ferguson Riot leaders were assassinated and disappeared under Obama in a dem city with a dem governor [2]

      American police used to (and still does) torture detainees [2]

      Biden deported more than Trump 1

      Biden expanded the concentration camps [2]

      Biden was planning on doing mass deportations using ICE as well

      Not to mention democrats are working with the republicans

      Dems held secret meetings with Jared Kushner

      Dems fund AIPAC republicans over non-AIPAC dems [2] [3] [4]

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        17 days ago

        You’re being absurd. Joe Biden had 4 years and didn’t do any of the things I mentioned. There is also no world where Kalama builds and fill concentration camps like Trump is doing, or take away abortion rights. Trump has done everything I listed in 2 years and has 2 left to go. If you have a Latin American friend there is a decent chance he’ll die in a camp. That chance was almost zero under a democrat.

        All you did it listed a bunch of unrelated other bad things Democrats do. I said they do bag things. I said we need to act outside the system to change things.

        I asked you why you didn’t vote when it makes a difference to your friends and neighbours. You just answered “they do bag things, we need to act outside the system to change things”.

        How can you be this callous, completely forsaking your duty to be in solidarity to act, not for yourself, but also for everyone you’re in community with and for humanity as a whole.

        Edit: You’re effectively listing the problems with neoliberalism as a reason to not engage in harm reduction. This is a position you might have the privilege of holding, but others do not.

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    18 days ago

    And when Democrats are finally elected, fully in power in all branches: “They just won, give them time.” “we won, why aren’t you satisfied?”

    Then of course, Democrats as usual will just go on about how it’s time to move forward and do nothing against fascism because well, they all serve the same capitalist class so…

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        18 days ago

        They will usually point to the designated villain democrat or some piece of formalia like the parlamentarian. You know Zohran couldn’t replace the commissioner, think of the norms!

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          18 days ago

          The funniest thing is it was actually the absolute norm for NYC Mayor to replace the police commisioner until Mamdani.