I use Logseq and it’s okay. They didn’t improve it for years but recently it looks like great things are coming.
I switched over to Logseq from Obisidan at work. At first, the clean interface and sensible functionality won me over. But after I switched over to the new version, that love faded real fast. They changed a bunch of stuff, and it is buggy and sucks the joy out of my workday.
Just read about Tine, which is a spiritual successor of sorts, but vibe coded.
I tried Tine and it’s a little better in some ways but also behaves strangely in other ways (that seem to be part of the opinionated aspect so I can’t just contribute a fix). Might have to make my own slopfork that works like I want. :D
They switched all their development efforts over to their new version which uses a DB instead of files.
They also changed some other things on how it works… Tried the new version once and couldn’t figure it out for the live of me so I’m also staying on the OG version…
Yeah I’m still on OG as well until they release a stable version of the Android app, but I wasn’t too happy about the changelog so far but I’m hoping they improve it.
Helix Notes is what I’m trying, and so far, it’s very nice.
I have no idea, as you’ve not linked to any information at all about it. What’s wrong with Obsidian?
I think in general the complaint I hear most is that it isn’t FOSS.
I dislike Obsidian because the creator could easily open source it but refuses to because “they would stop earning money” which is harmful to the open source community and an insult to all successful open projects.
Also I don’t really want to trust my entire personal knowledge base to an app I nor the public can read. As it stands it’s possible for them to accept millions from an AI company to sell them user data. The fact that they don’t open source it for bullshit reasons makes me feel like they have this planned.
I don’t know what criteria requires iOS devs to display this, but comparing the two privacy disclaimers; Zen Notes may look at user content and Obsidian doesn’t.


For Obsidian, isn’t the issue a little more complex if you use any plugins? I doubt many plugin authors are scraping data, but it is my understanding that they could.
Hmm. I had not checked the app store ‘App Privacy’ entry, I thought that this could have been a worthy competitor to Obsidian.
i have tried it, i guess it does the job, altough i don’t like the gui that much compared with obsidian. but that’s a matter of taste i guess. i’ll keep using obsidian for now i think.

I’ve had my eye on zen notes, but haven’t tried it. A couple of questions:
- Why not use Obsidian?
- What Obsidian capabilities do you need to replace?
I use Obsidian, but a good FOSS alt would be good.
I use Joplin.
Joplin is great but it is not an alt for Obsidian
It’s missing?
Is Obsidian not FOSS? Or do you mean you want more options? https://github.com/obsidianmd
It’s proprietary. The repo is plugins and APIs and stuff.
Oh, thank you, I thought it was FOSS
I did too. That is until I scoured the github repo for the source code 😂
I use Memos if you are looking for a FOSS alternative. I use it across devices and through my VPN when I am away from home.
Memos is intriguing but also really strange. It looks more like a social media platform than a notes app. Can you explain what you like about this? How do you organize notes when everything is just on a timeline?
I personally have not been using it that long, I just got fed up with whatever I was using before. Yes I agree there looks to be some social aspect to it for maybe a family or group of people to use together, I have not had any issues with it syncing across devices so I am happy with it for the time being.







