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MAGA failed because it didn’t go far enough, right-wing extremists say—and following devastating midterm losses, they see an opportunity to take over.
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What do they mean by “have to take over”? They are already in control of the GOP, aren’t they?
Assholes like Fuentes and Richard Spencer and Bannon and the fake “Dr” Sebastian Gorka and that Proud Boys wanker wanted donnie to come in on his first term and start carrying out their sick fantasies. Of course donnie is racist AF, but donnie’s first priorities are enriching himself and having people fawn over him at his rallies and in front of cameras.
A lot of these types were super pissed off that donnie’s first term didn’t involve death camps for Democrats, liberals, Jews, POC, uppity women, gays, trans, etc…
This was always Rush Limbaugh’s delusional take whenever the Republicans would have a bad election: the only reason they lost was because they weren’t conservative enough…so people voted for liberals instead? It didn’t make sense then, and it doesn’t make sense now.
These people are panicking because they got so close, and thought that they were just about to seal the deal for a full fledged fascist dictatorship, and suddenly it was all yoinked away in a single breathtaking evening. So now they want to just grab what they want while it is still somewhat in reach, because soon it will be farther away than it has been in many years.
Conservatism, just like Communism, can never fail. It can only be failed.
It’s weird how often the cons talk about “True Conservatives” and “True Conservatism”. They sound almost exactly like armchair Communists talking in the exact same way about their ideology.
the only reason they lost was because they weren’t conservative enough
Funny enough, establishment Dems think the same thing
“Let the Democrats rule; see how that goes,” Fuentes said during a livestream last week. “There will come a time when the far left will terrorize people, and they’re going to push all of them into the arms of the right. Who’s going to fight the far left? Only the far right. This is why we have to take over the right wing now.”
Gosh, what type of stupid ass logic is that. Mental gymnastics hard at work
Well, with the Murc’s Law media doing a lot of that work for them, a whole lot of low-info types are already about halfway there: “both sides are just so extreme, maaaaaan”.
You don’t seriously want to laugh these shit stains off, do you? Not after the last decade. This rhetoric needs to be punished. Not martyred, but otherwise deeply punished.
MAGA was already an example of someone taking control of the GOP.
It’s the far right ideology at work. “They’re gonna get us! That’s why we gotta get them first!” Same manipulation tactic of making up a Boogeyman, pulling people to defend against the made up Boogeyman, then advocating for the removal of anyone who doesn’t believe in the Boogeyman because “they’re not on our side”. It doesn’t matter if the threat is real if you can get people to ignore their lying eyes.
What? They’ve had control of GOP at a minimum since 2016!
The distinction between concentration camps and death camps is one they care deeply about
Yes, those libtards let prisoners survive for years in concentration camps for no reason. While death camps are much quicker and obviously way more efficient. /s
Exactly, they have transformed GOP into a more extreme party full of Trump supporters and all the “cuckservatives” have been ousted. They have had so much power for all kinds of racist stuff. But apparently it isn’t enough for some. In extremist movements infighting seems to be common, an even if there are political wins scored, that isn’t extreme enough and fracturing will become evident.
With all that in mind I have a feeling that even if Trump gets dumped and MAGA dies, one can’t expect US politics to return into a calmer and “more normal” direction instantly. It will be stormy.
I have a feeling GOP will either explode or implode before the next presidential election.
The next president will probably be a democrat elected with overwhelming majority.
But then Americans will revert, and elect a GOP demagogue more slick but even worse than Trump. That’s the trajectory we’ve seen for the past 3 decades, with USA generally switching ever more right in waves after each Democratic president.
The next time is most likely the last, unless the tendency is broken.
“Trump to was soft. There are minorities and women walking around” - GOP base
Minority = Criminal
Signed
GOP
it can always get worse
It can’t get worse than this…
…and then it did.
I sure hope USA has hit the bottom, but the trajectory the past 30 years tells me they have not.
bitch please, they took over 10 years ago and lead us into disaster after disaster non stop every time they were allowed to use their power - absolutely incompetent, evil pieces of shit
Stop telling yourself the lie that it’s incompetence. Those disasters are no accident but intentional because they give a fuck about you or anyone else but get themselves rich on the crisis they created.
is this from 2015?
Or 1915 or 1815. Doesn’t seem like news, as long as they’re not successful.
they were not?
In fairness, if i was a Nazi, i’d also be pissed off that Trump used the rhetoric, but little of the substance, to just grift and enrich himself.
Imagine wanting an authoritarian regime to crush your undesirables, only for the StrongManTM you got into office to set up rugpull memecoins and sell beans out of the oval office, with some token ICE raids that just ship people around internally to drain public funds to the private sector.
Again??
Remember that German Nationalists tried to create a Fourth Reich after Germany’s defeat in World War II. A fascist’s work is never done.
I suppose being a totalitarian Nazi isn’t right wing enough anymore.
Do not let all of the fleeing “centrists” (by a new definition created by them) infect the Democratic party
There are no fleeing centrists, they are at best just wall street anti health care right wing.
Even the Democratic party isn’t really centrist, but controlled by right wing wall street pundits.
Only the left of democrats can be called centrist by any meaningful definition of the word.
USA as a nation was always right wing nationalists.The word left, center, and right usually refer to the political landscape of the country being discussed. For example, centrists in Israel would be considered right-wing in the US.
Centrist in Israel would be considered mad cow disease here.
But on a more serious note, you are technically wrong, although that is indeed how American media interpret it.
Left wing is more pro worker protection, and Right wing is more pro pure capitalism.In USA both Democrats and Republicans definitely side with wall street, there is very little talk among democrats about leveling the playing field between employer and employee. A playing field that has been proven to heavily favor the employer/rich without regulation.
Also AFAIK if the minimum wage of the 50’s was applied similarly today, it should be about $40. A clear sign that policies have favored the employer, and also the fact that the percentage of wealth has consistently moved towards the rich.
The difference is about protecting those at the top against protecting those at the bottom. USA has been favoring protecting those at the top, because of racism, and those at the bottom generally used to be minorities, and to some degree still are.
The Russian regime is totalitarian , that too is a right wing trait, and can never be called center with any degree of objective accuracy.
Neoliberals left the Republican party 30+ years ago…
And they just lost the DNC less than two years ago…
Theres not enough “centrists” that have voted R the last three elections to bolster neoliberal support to where they can capture the party again.
Especially since if a Dem becomes president in 2028, they name the new DNC chair. A neoliberal has no chance of that, so the earliest they can get the DNC is 2032.
Too late since Hilary Clinton (re) introduced neoliberalism.
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Hilary reintroduced it as “the third way.”
Yes sorry I read over the “re” part of your statement before responding. Trying to work on that.
No worries, between not great eyesight, distraction, being in a hurry, I do it too. Blessings.
this is the ratchet in action folks!
It would be the ratchet effect if they actually did…
Them saying this is what extremists literally always say. No extremist is fine with not controlling their political organization, if they were, they wouldn’t be extremists.
If you aren’t worried about lack of appeal to moderates, you could just go make a new party.
The reason that that approach won’t work is because you won’t appeal to moderates.
If you take over the Republican Party, you have the same problem. Moderates leave for the Democratic Party.
The American electoral system will intrinsically tend towards two big-tent parties that compete for and need to appeal to the center. If you cede the center, you won’t meet with electoral success. If you maintain a grip on a party’s mechanisms and force it away from the center, eventually a new Big Two Party will emerge, from fragments of your party and from some voters that it will pull off the other Big Two Party, and your once-Big-Two party will be relegated to a minor party.
You can be a far-right faction in a Big Two party and get a limited amount of your agenda in. But you can’t take the party to the far right and also have electoral success.
We have the Constitution Party now. That’s far right. It also doesn’t meet with electoral success, because it can’t appeal to the center.
People under FPTP do blame everything but FPTP don’t they.
So they want to fail even harder?
