🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞

Fair enough, but also to be fair, it’s a pretty even split between those that want Independence versus those that want statehood. I think they just want to stop being our red-headed stepchildren territory.

He does realize that making Venezuela the 51st state would make all those brown people who don’t speak English actual US citizens? I mean. Obviously he doesn’t, but you know…

Severe ADHD, undiagnosed until age 30.

Excuse me, but you CLEARLY had TWO words.

;-)

I disagree with your disagreeal :) but I can respect your opinion of it. I just don’t think people will pay more attention than they already don’t care to. But if they do impeach, I hope you’re right.

Oh, no, you were on it, I was continuing - they go back and forth on that point - you had it right :)

Considering impeachment WILL NOT lead to removal, this is useless.

Defeatism barks up the wrong tree here. A lot of your assumptions do, but I respect the reply even while I disagree with much of it, so while I’m not energized to respond to every single point, one of the things that Lemmy does make difficult is foundational context - who I am, who you are. What I believe that didn’t get expressed in a particular comment.

I do believe impeachment is a waste of time. I do not think it will energize the voters. If anything, a third impeachment that also doesn’t result in removal continues those who complain that democrats are doing nothing.

Ultimately, the most important thing we need is to support truly progressive candidates, and help those that are getting the message out better. And in places like NYC where a real difference can be shown - because our current federal government is set up to allow obstruction far more than action - Congress can’t get shit done even with a majority, but it’s worse because there are so many estqablishment Dems, who are better than Oops All Fascists! but not great.

Eh. I hope that makes a bit of sense, I’m not taking the time to flesh it all out well.

I can respect that you have thoughtful opinion. We strongly disagree, which is a bummer, but at least you obviously care. I do, too.

I still rail against so many who really do NOT have a plan and just want to gripe about “somebody needs to do something” which is useless - I mean the people complaining who may or may not even bother to vote in the general election, much less do anything else.

I’m poor and I don’t wash shit, I just flush it! ;-)

Again, what exactly will impeachment accomplish that makes you think it’s worth doing? What will a third one add?

I also don’t go around trying to lift skyscrapers off their foundations because it’s a fucking waste of energy better spent elsewhere.

In the general election, to save us from fascism: Blue no matter who

AND THEN FUCKING ACT IN THE PRIMARIES AND BEFORE THE PRIMARIES AND OUTSIDE THE GENERAL FUCKING ELECTION.

What exactly do you think impeachment - which will not lead to removal - will accomplish? A third impeachment accomplishing something that the first two didn’t manage to do?

I’m still grumbling because I disagree, but I’m glad you did read the article, sorry for the accusation.

And precisely what do you think a third impeachment without a removal will do, exactly?

Requesting a source for that as from everything I can tell, it’s not true.

If it was true, I’d support impeachment, of course.

Into another environment…

Please, for the love of democracy, read the fucking article and not just the headline. Learn how impeachment works and why it will not work to remove Trump. Learn what politicians can ACTUALLY accomplish and set your fucking expectations accordingly.

Wanting things does not make them happen. I want a pony and a sports car. It doesn’t matter how strongly I want those things, wanting doesn’t do shit. If I’m a kid, wanting those things doesn’t enable my parents to be able to obtain them.

The main problem I have with people not fucking learning this stuff is that it leads to becoming suscepitble to fascist propaganda. “Both sides” because it seems like nobody can fix the problem. Vote third party because you don’t like a few things some of the Democrats are doing. Don’t bother to vote at all because who cares. All of that only serves to strengthen the fascist hold on this country.

Tired of the Democrats? Well, what are you doing about it? Are you just voting in the general election and bitching that your choices aren’t better? Try supporting better candidates in the primaries. Try to help educate people about what’s actually going on where you can do so. Or, if that doesn’t work, we need everyone to get out there and… force a change. Which will suck in its own way, and is more work than just “throw them all out!” because you ahve to have people and policies and systems set up to replace them if that’s how things go.

The laziest fucking thing is to just browse the headline and griping about things you don’t even understand.

It sets the precedent that a president cannot be impeached if they have a majority in the senate.

That is how impeachment has always been.

The war is illegal, the recourse is impeachment.

Well, you don’t understand how Congress works.

First, Congress decides if we go to war or not. They tried to pass legislation stopping it, but the Republicans had enough power to stop that legislation.

Second, impeachment is NOT the recourse. Impeachment is a strictly political process (not judicial), where if two thirds of each chamber of Congress wants Trump gone, they vote him gone. That’s what it boils down to. And since there’s not two thirds of each chamber wanting him gone, he will not be going using that method.

I understand that people want things to magically happen, but the only way things magically happen is if the people get out on the streets and force them to happen. I want a winning lottery ticket and a pony, but wanting that shit ain’t gonna do shit. I have to know how to make it happen.

Not investigating and prosecuting Trump and his criminal appointees is not acceptable.

Oh, so you DO support what Harris said:

“I think that going in the direction of impeachment is not a good idea, just to be honest with you,” Harris told MeidasTouch’s Aaron Parnas in an interview. “Just because we have limited resources, and I think the energy and the resources need to be put into accountability, need to be put into investigations.”

“And that’s where the time should be spent,” she added.

I wish people would read and reply to the article rather than the headline only.

Make him defend that shit in a public trial.

That is not what impeachment will get you.