• FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca
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      Non-voters lack deductive reasoning. They fail to understand that if Harris doesn’t win, Trump wins. They can’t grasp that eliminating one option leaves only the alternative.

      Perhaps if they banded together, they could get support for a third candidate. It would be difficult but I suppose trying would have been better than refusing to vote against fascism.

      They don’t like the rules of the game, so they refused to play

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      We’ve been through this. It was centrist pushing genocide that lost the election. You keep putting out this fascist trope.

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        Yes we have been through this and what you said was horse shit, still is.

        The more dumb things Trump does the dumber this argument becomes.

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          Uh no. But just please stay out of elections or politics so we don’t lose again. Just take the back seat and let those of us who are capable of winning elections lead. We’ll carry you, in-spite of your insistence that you damage everyone through your behavior.

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            Uh no. But just please stay out of elections or politics so we don’t lose again. Just take the back seat and let those of us who are capable of winning elections lead. We’ll carry you, in-spite of your insistence that you damage everyone through your behavior.

            You aren’t capable of doing the math on a 2 party, 1st past the post election but you’re “capable of winning elections” and you’re gonna “carry” folks? Get the fuck out of here with that delusional bullshit.

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              You aren’t capable of doing the math on a 2 party,

              This is why I keep whipping out the perjoratives. There are single celled creatures showing more reading comprehension then this cult. You lost the fucking election relying on a false assumption of voter behavior and all you are doing is enforcing the demonstrated observation that you dont get how elections work.

              You donʻt understand how elections work. Just shut the fuck up and stay the fuck out. This shit is too complicated for you.

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                I didn’t lose shit. I’m not a rah-rah DNC supporter and I didn’t have shit to do with all the brain dead decisions by the DNC that helped get us to this point. You don’t know me and you can fuck right off with that noise.

                Once we have a choice between center right, status quo candidate and far right, authoritarian, racist, rapist, felonious, pedophile, the choice is clear to anyone who isn’t a toddler throwing a tantrum. I hate that the DNC refused to take a moral stand against Palestinean genocide but I’d bet everything I own that there would be more Palestineans alive today under President Harris. Do you think we are better off now that one of our few unequivically anti genocide representatives is being threatend with deportation?

                The world is a terrible messy moral mindfield and the IS polital system is absolute shit but reasonable, responsible adults accept reality and try to navigate towards the best possible outcomes. Stop acting like a sullen child. I hope you don’t live in a swing state.

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        If Trump and Harris were threatening the same genocide, but Trump had more targets than just Palestine, wouldn’t Harris be the harm reduction choice?

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          Its fucking irrelevant because Biden and Harris DID sponsor a genocide. Voters don’t fucking vote based on what you decide harm reduction to be. They see two pieces of shit doing a genocide and they say “No.”, which is what they did. The concept of “harm reduction” is fucking astrology for lincoln republicans. Voters don’t fucking vote that way, if you even accept that Harris was “harm reduction” (She was literally in the seat of power and did nothing, so miss me that Harris or Biden were “harm reduction”).

          Harm reduction is fucking irrelevant because its not how voters vote. They saw one genocide supporting candidate, rejected them, and the party establishment handed them a second one. That strategy, which depended a, frankly, white supremacist vision of “harm reduction”, lost the fucking election.

          So no. The only option was to get the candidate to change their position. There was no other path.

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              Who was President and vice President, and politically immovable while Israel was flattening Gaza with 2000lb bombs?

              Like, I’m going to say this, you won’t understand it, but it is true, and someday you might. So this is for your future self:

              You live in a fiction of your own creation. The version of reality you inhabit is a fantasy.

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            after everything Trump has done, you’re still holding on to this? lmao bro

            go into Palestine and tell them harm reduction would have been worse and you helped vote trump in

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              Yeah cus we never needed to lose to them. Losing to them was a fucking choice by people who were I bothered by a genocide.

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                wake up to the reality we have

                you don’t have to like it

                struggle all you want to try to make it better

                but don’t fucking lie to yoursels

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                  wake up to the reality we have

                  The reality we have is that Democrats threw a very winnable election to fascists because they couldnt oppose a genocide. You and your fellow apologists are the ones who need to wake up.

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                    The reality we have is that Democrats threw a very winnable election to fascists because they couldnt oppose a genocide.

                    No one is denying that. Trump being in power is the fault of both Democrats and non-voters.

                    But guess which of the two categories has been harmed more by the result? I don’t see Kamala begging on the street because she can’t afford groceries. They never really had anything to lose.

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            That right-wing/russian/tankie propaganda really did a number to leftist’s critical thinking skills and turned you into single issue (non)voters.

            It’s sad to see.

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              No it’s understanding the very basic mechanics of how elections work, something you can count on those who will reliably caucus with fascists to perpetually misunderstand because white supremacist requires them to not understand.

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                When leftists fail to have a single viable candidate again and the choices are between Tucker Carlson and Gavin Newsom you guys are going to scream both sides are the same again and throw the election to Tucker.

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                  Your only logical conclusion then, since voters don’t vote how you want them to, is to demand a better candidate then Gavin Newsom. Anything other than that is you sponsoring fascism (again), because you know now, that both a) voters aren’t going to vote for a Gavin Newsom, and b) voters can’t be changed to vote how you think they should be.

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          The only things you’ll be remembered for will be defending a genocide to such an extent you were willing to sacrifice an election for it.

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            Better than tanking a smart woman of color’s chance to make the world a better place because I fell for some right-wing/russian/tankie propaganda.

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              She was a fucking cop who supported Israeli genocide. She literally would have been better than trump, for sure. Don’t get me wrong. But what the fuck man. You’re gonna blame people who couldn’t vote for genocide cop for the fact that pedo realtor is president?

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                Absolutely, funny how you remove genocide from Trump’s title he’s been rather enthusiastic about it.

                And sure you can call a district attorney a cop if you want to, but what do you call the man that’s set up his own secret police force to brutalize the populace?

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                  Yeah I mean I could not have been any clearer but once again, obviously trump is far worse than Harris could have ever hoped to be. I’m not sure who you’re trying to convince here.

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                    You keep saying that Trump is worse and then immediately follow it with a “but” about Harris. Perhaps you need to convince yourself