What do you do when mental illness apparently makes you premeditate a murder, carve religious symbols into someone’s flesh, and smash their head like an ape getting at a coconut? You can’t make that right. They grouped up, got all edgey with their satanism, and murdered someone. Your dark past does not give you an excuse to rob others’ futures no matter your mental condition.
No one said it should be an excuse. And a possible solution in her case might have been a forced therapy; so she would also be locked away, just not in prison but a mental institution. If that’s better or worse depends on the institution. But at least the goal would be to right her mind and not punish her if there is no meaningful corrective result.
I’m not of the opinion that all minds can be “corrected”. This case was an especially nasty one, involving multiple people all targeting one person and luring her out away from everyone and mutilated her. The stain of malice cannot be denied here. Seems like everyone has skin in the game for mental illness but no one gives a shit about the hatred and loss of life.
Locked up in a mental institution is also punishment. It’s not like this is a large chillout area with fun games.
No idea how it is in the US, but in Germany this is an even worse punishment, because they don’t get a normal sentence. If they get locked up in jail, there is a time attached depending on the severity of the crime. But mental institution is basically “until deemed fit for society”. So if the staff there wants to fuck you up (or if you are actually a lost cause), they will simply never deem you fit for release and you stay there until eternity, pumped with drugs. And all of this without another judge looking into the case ever again (unless you happen to have very very good support from outside, but even then the judge will typically ask experts — so the doctors — who will just explain why you have to stay locked up).
There are no mental institutions like that in the States. Reagan ended that. That isn’t to say there aren’t any at all, but there are no asylums or anything like that. Most mentally ill become homeless and its fucked up. So an American saying someone needs mental help is basically saying they have no real recourse. I didnt think it was fun and games or a chill out area but I dont think the help she could get in the States would ever have been enough. I dont know what is enough looking at her stated reasonings for the murder. Thats not a problem we know how to simply fix. What I do know is, again, everyone hand waving that someone lost their life to this woman. You glazed over it here, instead going right to talking about mental institutions. Again.
Right, and presumably you’re an expert with at least one relevant PhD or other qualifications and experience who is able to determine what minds can and can not be “corrected”. You must also be an expert of the highest order to be capable of making that determination without speaking to her, or being so much as in the same room as her.
There have been some troubled people that wanted to scare the Christians that were abusing them. And given the number of false convictions around the early and mid 1990s because of ‘satanism,’ anyone that brings it up just looks stupid. Purely, ridiculously stupid.
Which is why they were edgey carving that into her chest? I dont see how you are refuting that they carved a pentagram into her fucking chest here. Thats what I said. Thats what the satanism was. Do you think that was done in jest? Or that they were not being fucken edge lords when they did that? What are you trying to fucken say here? This thread makes no sense now.
There is no evidence it was premeditated, and she didn’t carve religious symbols into anyone. There was a 1 symbol carved into the person, and it wasn’t by her. That person admitted to doing so in court.
Yeah no I read that. I would no longer find her guilty of premeditated murder and as I stated before she did NOT as confirmed by the person who carved said pentagram in her chest stated to police, carve any religious symbols into someone. Not only do I think she served her sentence now I think the state is guilty of torture and you should be legally eligible to be held liable for slander. “Familiarize yourself with the case”. Hopefully other people’s opinions teach you that your opinion isn’t absolute.
Slander ffs. Her and her cohorts went out, lured a woman by herself and tortured and killed her. Everyone seems to be forgetting this but when conservo AI bros get back what they hand out its karma.
Fix the society and the material conditions that allowed this to happen, and work to undo the harm that the failures of society caused that caused this to happen. This crime was completely preventable, and this person, given her personality this late in life after a lifetime of unimaginable and uninterrupted torture since the moment she was born, is obviously someone that would be a good person to have in society.
No actionable plan? There are so many actionable plans that work better than doing nothing. Pick one. Norway. Finland. Iceland. Fucking China. France. Honestly nearly any society that has made it to mid-capitalism or better.
The ‘Perpetrator’ was raped multiple times as a child, physically and verbally abused, and was only sentenced to death because this happened in 1995 instead of 1994.
She was quite literally tortured her entire life, with zero support, zero examples of positive behavior, zero effective alternatives. This was allowed to happen explicitly because of both a lack of healthcare, and a lack of government oversight. If she had regular healthcare, her rapes would have been reported sooner, and she would have had therapy and a new family to guide her to make different choices.
If we did not have a CHRISTIAN society, we wouldn’t have the hysterical whining from far-right christians like you about ‘satanism,’ which would then have allowed the jury and judge to actually look at her like a kid that has been only exposed to abusive behavior, instead of a ‘super evil super-predator satanist.’
You said “I would fix the world and society” thats not a fucken actionable plan my guy. That has no details on how to accomplish the said fixing or what you even fix to begin to help. And unless you invent fucking time machines I dont think you can “fix” people being raped. Absolute insanity here just thinking that Norway, Finland and all Nordic countries are perfect and have no rape or lawsuits. Fucken wild.
I know America has some of the lowest reading comprehension scores of every country that teaches English in any form, but you really take the cake on this one. It’s almost like I’m on truth social or Facebook.
To be more specific:
No, I did not say ‘I would fix the world and society,’ I say analyze the material conditions that lead to the failures that resulted in the tragedy, then work to make sure those conditions improve. Like every country EXCEPT the US does. Literally everyone one. War lords in Somalia analyze the failures that lead to the crimes in their demesne and work to improve those conditions. The US doesn’t.
For example, as I have stated multiple times, medical care, therapy, state apparatuses to detect bad parentage – fucking improved living conditions and parental education and screening, literally anything. You know what happens when a depressed, isolated kid with clear distractions shows up to school in Norway?
They’re called into a counselor’s office, told whatever they say is confidential, and that they’ll be protected and helped if they let them know what’s going on. There has yet to be a child surviving child sexual abuse that does not show outward, obvious signs of that abuse when not around their abuser. There is entire fields of psychology built and peer-reviewed on detecting it from behavior. It takes 30 minutes once a month to teach teachers to recognize the signs.
This could have all been avoided. And yes, you can fix people being raped, as that, like pretty much all crime that has ever happened or will ever happen for the history of humanity, is a result of the material conditions of the criminal’s life and the society they find themselves in.
if you punish mental illness, then society itself is sick.
In the US. Can confirm society itself is very sick.
What do you do when mental illness apparently makes you premeditate a murder, carve religious symbols into someone’s flesh, and smash their head like an ape getting at a coconut? You can’t make that right. They grouped up, got all edgey with their satanism, and murdered someone. Your dark past does not give you an excuse to rob others’ futures no matter your mental condition.
No one said it should be an excuse. And a possible solution in her case might have been a forced therapy; so she would also be locked away, just not in prison but a mental institution. If that’s better or worse depends on the institution. But at least the goal would be to right her mind and not punish her if there is no meaningful corrective result.
I’m not of the opinion that all minds can be “corrected”. This case was an especially nasty one, involving multiple people all targeting one person and luring her out away from everyone and mutilated her. The stain of malice cannot be denied here. Seems like everyone has skin in the game for mental illness but no one gives a shit about the hatred and loss of life.
Locked up in a mental institution is also punishment. It’s not like this is a large chillout area with fun games.
No idea how it is in the US, but in Germany this is an even worse punishment, because they don’t get a normal sentence. If they get locked up in jail, there is a time attached depending on the severity of the crime. But mental institution is basically “until deemed fit for society”. So if the staff there wants to fuck you up (or if you are actually a lost cause), they will simply never deem you fit for release and you stay there until eternity, pumped with drugs. And all of this without another judge looking into the case ever again (unless you happen to have very very good support from outside, but even then the judge will typically ask experts — so the doctors — who will just explain why you have to stay locked up).
There are no mental institutions like that in the States. Reagan ended that. That isn’t to say there aren’t any at all, but there are no asylums or anything like that. Most mentally ill become homeless and its fucked up. So an American saying someone needs mental help is basically saying they have no real recourse. I didnt think it was fun and games or a chill out area but I dont think the help she could get in the States would ever have been enough. I dont know what is enough looking at her stated reasonings for the murder. Thats not a problem we know how to simply fix. What I do know is, again, everyone hand waving that someone lost their life to this woman. You glazed over it here, instead going right to talking about mental institutions. Again.
Right, and presumably you’re an expert with at least one relevant PhD or other qualifications and experience who is able to determine what minds can and can not be “corrected”. You must also be an expert of the highest order to be capable of making that determination without speaking to her, or being so much as in the same room as her.
it’s amazing when you can pinpoint Americans.
Factually not what happened, but please enlighten me with your elevated world view.
There has never been a Satanic ritual related death in US history.
There have been some troubled people that wanted to scare the Christians that were abusing them. And given the number of false convictions around the early and mid 1990s because of ‘satanism,’ anyone that brings it up just looks stupid. Purely, ridiculously stupid.
Which is why they were edgey carving that into her chest? I dont see how you are refuting that they carved a pentagram into her fucking chest here. Thats what I said. Thats what the satanism was. Do you think that was done in jest? Or that they were not being fucken edge lords when they did that? What are you trying to fucken say here? This thread makes no sense now.
There is no evidence it was premeditated, and she didn’t carve religious symbols into anyone. There was a 1 symbol carved into the person, and it wasn’t by her. That person admitted to doing so in court.
Please familiarize yourself with the case before commenting:
https://law.justia.com/cases/tennessee/supreme-court/1998/pike.html
Yeah no I read that. I would no longer find her guilty of premeditated murder and as I stated before she did NOT as confirmed by the person who carved said pentagram in her chest stated to police, carve any religious symbols into someone. Not only do I think she served her sentence now I think the state is guilty of torture and you should be legally eligible to be held liable for slander. “Familiarize yourself with the case”. Hopefully other people’s opinions teach you that your opinion isn’t absolute.
Slander ffs. Her and her cohorts went out, lured a woman by herself and tortured and killed her. Everyone seems to be forgetting this but when conservo AI bros get back what they hand out its karma.
No that’s the story you gobbled up like Trump telling you public healthcare is going to burn America. Gobble gobble gobble. Think more, repeat less.
Then what did she do? Go and give kisses and hugs and only the damned others did this? You aren’t even making sense just here to be a troll.
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you’re not an expert. just some random idiot.
Okay Mr expert then, what the fuck is up? What do we do?
Fix the society and the material conditions that allowed this to happen, and work to undo the harm that the failures of society caused that caused this to happen. This crime was completely preventable, and this person, given her personality this late in life after a lifetime of unimaginable and uninterrupted torture since the moment she was born, is obviously someone that would be a good person to have in society.
Very broad strokes with no actionable plan, cool. Is wishing praxis?
No actionable plan? There are so many actionable plans that work better than doing nothing. Pick one. Norway. Finland. Iceland. Fucking China. France. Honestly nearly any society that has made it to mid-capitalism or better.
The ‘Perpetrator’ was raped multiple times as a child, physically and verbally abused, and was only sentenced to death because this happened in 1995 instead of 1994.
She was quite literally tortured her entire life, with zero support, zero examples of positive behavior, zero effective alternatives. This was allowed to happen explicitly because of both a lack of healthcare, and a lack of government oversight. If she had regular healthcare, her rapes would have been reported sooner, and she would have had therapy and a new family to guide her to make different choices.
If we did not have a CHRISTIAN society, we wouldn’t have the hysterical whining from far-right christians like you about ‘satanism,’ which would then have allowed the jury and judge to actually look at her like a kid that has been only exposed to abusive behavior, instead of a ‘super evil super-predator satanist.’
You said “I would fix the world and society” thats not a fucken actionable plan my guy. That has no details on how to accomplish the said fixing or what you even fix to begin to help. And unless you invent fucking time machines I dont think you can “fix” people being raped. Absolute insanity here just thinking that Norway, Finland and all Nordic countries are perfect and have no rape or lawsuits. Fucken wild.
I know America has some of the lowest reading comprehension scores of every country that teaches English in any form, but you really take the cake on this one. It’s almost like I’m on truth social or Facebook.
To be more specific:
No, I did not say ‘I would fix the world and society,’ I say analyze the material conditions that lead to the failures that resulted in the tragedy, then work to make sure those conditions improve. Like every country EXCEPT the US does. Literally everyone one. War lords in Somalia analyze the failures that lead to the crimes in their demesne and work to improve those conditions. The US doesn’t.
For example, as I have stated multiple times, medical care, therapy, state apparatuses to detect bad parentage – fucking improved living conditions and parental education and screening, literally anything. You know what happens when a depressed, isolated kid with clear distractions shows up to school in Norway?
They’re called into a counselor’s office, told whatever they say is confidential, and that they’ll be protected and helped if they let them know what’s going on. There has yet to be a child surviving child sexual abuse that does not show outward, obvious signs of that abuse when not around their abuser. There is entire fields of psychology built and peer-reviewed on detecting it from behavior. It takes 30 minutes once a month to teach teachers to recognize the signs.
This could have all been avoided. And yes, you can fix people being raped, as that, like pretty much all crime that has ever happened or will ever happen for the history of humanity, is a result of the material conditions of the criminal’s life and the society they find themselves in.
If you define any desire to kill as mental illness…
well good luck with your utopia of happy sociopaths pretending to be mentally ill and getting re-released to murder again.