I’m asking because I wonder if Lemmy having a left wing, progressive, socialist, communist bent means Reddit was coming down hard on those ideologies (biased if you will) than right leaning, centrist or free market Capitalist ideologies?
Side question, if Lemmy grows do you think the same will happen here?
I don’t think my core political beliefs would be accepted anywhere so I don’t bother sharing them.
Plus, while Lemmy is way more awesome than most, it appears to be a core component of anonymous social groups to be gratingly argumentative.
I’d much rather have an exploratory discussion with decorum than a debate but people in general are confrontational when they encounter ideas they don’t agree with. In that light, it’s about the same as Reddit.
Yes
reddit, I like owning things and fucking hate property tax.
Nope, don’t think so. I honestly don’t know where I fit into the political stuff. I once asked when I just got on Lemmy and got insane amount of hatred for absolutely no reason.
So that’s when I figured Lemmy is basically Reddit 2.0 in disguise.
I suppose, I’m in the middle of left/right? I don’t really fit into any party within my country, lol. Only one I could think of would be “DENK”.
I got banned for comparing the Zionist regime with the Nazis on Reddit. That hasn’t happened here yet
That’s why we call them zionazis
Only a very specific kind of person would leave a major platform, in order to daily drive a weird experimental project, and we all seem to have a large number of other things in common.
Unless something changed recently, Reddit will work with a wide variety of people, as long as they kiss the ring and help Reddit make money. Lots of mods of all kinds of political bents stayed past the APIcalypse. The main exception I can think of is AskHistorians, which is only as political as reality is. (And of course, ordinary users mostly didn’t want inconvenience, and stayed)
Only a very specific kind of person would leave a major platform, in order to daily drive a weird experimental project, and we all seem to have a large number of other things in common.
I feel like almost all people here are nerdy left wing people, but what else do we have in common? Dislike/scepticism of AI is also kind of the default here I guess. But on many other issues I see a large variety of opinions and many fundamental disagreements on Lemmy. Imo it’s actually a very diverse place for its size, aside from these 3 dimensions.
There was hardly a conservative to be found on reddit until about 2013. I was sort of surprised when exremist conservatives showed up and became a force on the site. However, they ended up being so toxic that reddit banned a lot of their shit around 2017-2019. Last I was around there, people with typical US Democrat politics were the majority by a good bit. Of course that means lame conservatives come and whine about how liberal everyone is. Yeah dude, you’re not the majority, sorry.
Lemmy is far more leftist. It’s rare to encounter communist supporters on reddit, but not so much on Lemmy. I’d never heard of the term tankie before coming to lemmy.
As far as a group that seems more comfortable than on reddit, I’d say trans people found a home on Lemmy. (edited because this sentence was semi-incoherent)
Reddit didn’t ban them. It took so much racist crap for TheDonald to get wiped, and even then, the same assholes just made a new sub and continued on with dogwhistles.
Reddit also seemed to allow right wing brigading while punishing leftists in a very unbalanced manner. Multiple “moderate” (sane, non-tankie) left-wing subreddits had to close around major US political events because alt right chuds would swarm them and the admins didn’t help. Meanwhile I once got a 30 day ban for “brigading” when all I did was going to a right wing post that was linked on a progressive sub and engaged in what I saw as good faith debates - and they were actually productive as I’ve received multiple comments from right leaning accounts about how I provided new perspective. No name calling or anything, actually civilised debate (which today seems impossible), around universal healthcare and education being something that benefits everyone in a society, even if indirectly…
Then the whole thing turned to shit around 2018, and by Jan6, things got incredibly polarised, making debate impossible.
They did ban r/ intcel, coontown, frenworld, fatpeoplehate, gendercritical, chapostraphouse, braincels, and various others. “the donald” was initially quarantined in 2019 and banned in 2020. By then they’d already let the scum who ran and frequented the sub run rampant over the site for way too long.
I recall around 2017, various left-leaning subs started automatically banning anyone who participated in what they called hate subs. That was annoying because even if you went in t_d and said “wow, you guys are losers”, you’d get banned from other subs by a bot.
I mean, I got auto banned from a number of feminist subreddits like, 2-3 years after gamergate, because once upon a time I commented on the kotaku subreddit a few times (some big game release I think)…
I remember there being a whole bunch of Ron Paul supporters on Reddit back when I joined it around 2009-ish
It was a different breed of conservative than the MAGA types we have now, but you’d be pretty hard-pressed to label them anything but conservative.
The Ron Paul supporters were libertarian flavored. I don’t think they were social conservatives like we have now.
I didn’t agree with them wanting to cut services, but they weren’t deranged like with what we have now.
This is true of reddit and how I remember it. A lot more akin to 4chan of the time than not honestly, despite redditors acting as if they were above them, but I also changed over time. A consequence of my sheltered conservative christian 90’s monoculture small prairie town upbringing, but I gradually moved more and more to the left with life experience and internet exposure. I wouldn’t say I really settled until my early 30’s. Perhaps as a Democratic Socialist, but I don’t like to really adhere to any given labels. Was atheist the whole time but that didn’t change much about my upbringing and initial views even if I was immune to the actual deity belief part of conservative religious indoctrination.
reddit became less and less welcoming of me as time went on. Eventually leading to getting banned repeatedly, especially during Trump term 1.
But to answer OP: Yeah, I don’t run into much friction here, mind you, I block the tankie triad.
Side question, if Lemmy grows do you think the same will happen here?
I don’t think it will, but no. I think more splintering into defined groups that get along would happen.
I guess I didn’t encounter them or feel bothered by them since it’s, as noted, nothing like the pernicious idiocy of tea party/maga people.
Not really.
I don’t want to murder etsy quilters for participating in capitalism and I’m comfortable hearing opinions I don’t agree with, so the lemmigarchs and groupthink-meme-peasantry both get angry at me a lot here.
As a communist, we don’t get mad at people selling quilts on etsy; we more or less question people who either aren’t self-managing their services or have no co-ops. The petite bourgeoisie are people who have a surplus of labour, which is exploitative.
How ideal
Just don’t start businesses unless you’re either self-managing or have a co-op. That’s generally all we mean when we say we hate businesses, honestly.
… all we mean when we say we hate businesses
Hmm, businesses, not at all what I referred to, but…let’s see…
socialism spoiler
No, i’m spotting a few differences between your hypothetical empowered reason and how your violent bigot comrades actually behave here.
You monster. Quilters are clearly privileged time possessors! Your lack of willingness to kill them tells me everything. /S
Already replied to the original person, but this isn’t what communists are mad at; there’s a MAJOR difference between the petite bourgeoisie and self-managed goods and services. It’s the surplus of labour at traditional businesses which are considered bourgeois, not having co-ops or self-produced products.
How dare you!
Depending upon the sub that you were in, it could be left leaning or right leaning or centrist. It just really depended upon the sub Reddit.
Here in Lemmy it is definitely left leaning
If this area were to grow, then I would say yeah we could actually see different political leanings.
I am very glad that more people here are to the left of me rather than the right, but it hasn’t seemed to make discussion any easier.
I just don’t see the Fediverse catching on widely overall, and if it does it will splinter.
I will no longer tolerate bad faith discussion, targeted violent rhetoric, and blatantly insulting comments.
We have, largely, been better here, and I hope to… if not keep it that way, then at least continue to advocate for a better form of discussion that promotes understanding. I say this because, as a leftist, I have been dragged further left by being here in ways that have measurably changed the lives of people around me.
Keeping a social media space relatively non-toxic HELPS PEOPLE. Let’s try.
Lemmy as a whole is really weird. There are some communities that just ignore seriously problematic user behavior and some with mods that engage in tyrannical viewpoint suppression. You just need to pick ones with reasonable groups of people that go there. It’s the same as reddit, but with fewer weird outsiders fucking things up and no obnoxious admins.
It’s not weird when you realize people like people who they agree with and don’t like people they don’t agree with.
abusive behavior is fine as long as it’s directed against people you disagree with.
well, I’m not perma banned here.
I’ll let that fact speak for itself.
I got banned from one of the UK subreddits because someone said Brexit was a good idea and I said “No it wasn’t.” Got banned for talking politics in a non-political sub and the person I was responding to didn’t get banned lol.
Fuck reddit
I’m liberal as fuck so you’d think I’d get along good with both Reddit and Lemmy, but I’ve been drawn into so many knock-down, drag-out flame wars on both platforms with people I agree with on 95% of the stuff under discussion that I just noped out of discussing US politics online altogether.
different instances have different bends and individuals choose instances randomly so can be on something way off from themselves without realizing it given they don’t have to consume their own instances content.
Yeah because politics are contagious. Nobody knows what is what anymore, it’s all just noise and a contest of whose more right than whom. People can’t even fucking keep politics strictly in the instances where it is appropriate in, they just got to go around and turn everything political.
