I’m working on a website to help improve things! I’m looking to make a steamdb - like but all about categorizing games on whether they’re tainted by genAI or lovingly hand-crafted.
oh hey that sounds cool—WAIT I KNOW THIS GUY
It’s crazy to me that people can get so excited by pumping out slop.
What do they think creativity is?
They don’t care, they just want to make some easy money.
Good luck competing with the 120000000 other sloppies lso made by people who were also capable of typing the prompt “can you make me a cool game and also make it really fun”
What is your value proposition? Why on earth would I pay money for this when we live in an age of entertainment abundance?
Most of them want to just create without learning how to. The problem is there’s a reason why it’s hard and takes time. It’s not enough to have a good idea, you need artistic vision to make the art to back it, logic to make the structure that holds it together and a ton of other pieces. Thinking an averaging machine trained on thousand of stolen products can skip all those processes is dumb at best: you will create slop that will appeal to no one and probably will run like shit. If they only understood that they are also doing actual damage…
This is the saddest blog post I ever read. Asking a machine to “make it fun”… I really hope this is the bottom of the barrel, because I am not sure I can take more.
Yeah, so sad. You hate games that are “designed by committee”, just wait for “designed by a machine regurgitating the most common designs by committee”.
I had this nightmare of a gaming company where the owner sicked a multi-agent swarm on scraping the internet to do market analysis on what trends would make a successful game. Had another model craft a prompt to turn it into a game and past that prompt to Opus5.5.
I swear to god I am close to just going off grid. We are so past the pale
Make it fun - No mistakes!
be creative, make it look great
Looks like we just found our new Executive Lead Developer boys! Tells us more about these prompts.
“Please make it fun” it’s such a boring way to make or think about games. The entire point is to find that fun by playing and iterating on it.
I don’t care if AI can make a game for me, I actually enjoy the make process
“Please make it fun”
Would this lead to a game about being a border control agent in a fictionalised soviet country?
I very much doubt it.
Or something like Rimworld, which is one of the funnest games ever but is essentially just a litany of war crimes lol
If you take a look at this in detail:
So the AI did exactly that: Added some flashy features like adaptive combat music, a progression system and so on, but also ran a lot of playtest sessions and finetuned the game balance and units with them.
How did it playtest it? The answer is: it didn’t!
It is incapable of experiencing emotion, and is therefore incapable of what we call play.
Claude has a fetish for making unit tests and excessive testing. Unsure if that’s a bad thing. But boy does it waste electricity.
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard today. Having Claude “play”-test a game 1200 times isn’t the same as having 1200 humans playtest something. It’s having one pseudorandom test 1200 times.
Also, isn’t the point of games that humans play them? That’s why it’s called a playtest. Humans play the game and report what they found enjoyable versus what needed work. The designer then gets to choose if adding units or balancing abilities is warranted. How would a machine know what an audience finds fun? How could it know what a dominant strategy might be? They don’t, and this idea that you can outsource creativity to AI is fundamentally flawed.
The lack of understanding of the entire process is incredible.
Simulation can be great for balance and bugcatching and making sure things work as expected, but what you get from a single human giving feedback is often worth more than 109s of sims.
You are right, but … it does work. If you play the game, it really is a solid RTS.
Why would I play a game a human didn’t make? This is actual hedonism. Just raw masturbatory dopamine seeking.
Don’t mix hedonism and slop posting
So I guess fun is mashing together a bunch of features from other RTS and MOBAs. In days gone by this sort of thing was considered shovelware garbage. I guess with AI in the mix it’s now called innovation.
Also… combat juice?
combat juice
As a biological German I’m weirdly attracted to playing this, but I really mustn’t.
Eh Iv heard stupid things then combat juice. At least I’m laughing at how dumb combat juice is.
But yeah this is shovel ware 101. The only people calling it innovation are smoking something way too strong for them.
Thanks, i hate it :(
All those idea-men out there seem to have run out of ideas pretty fast.
That one “battle drones” screenshot looks like it just copied a Warcraft 2 level verbatim.
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I’m baffled by all of the people who think individuals who just want to make a game without needing thousands of dollars in a development budget are somehow evil. No. AI isn’t perfect and probably never will be. However, it helps people to put their ideas into something that they can’t do and can’t afford to hire someone for. AI, in a way, democratizes the ability to create projects without the need to hire out work that can’t afford otherwise. One day, someone will put out a great game using AI, because it id possible. The code won’t be perfect, but the game will playable and enjoyable - but thousands of people will boycott the game, because a 15 year old kid who doesn’t run a development company made it with AI. Not everything made with AI is slop. It depends on the people using it. Yes, there’s tons of slop out there… and quite a lot of it was written by humans without AI. Personally, I don’t care how the game was made, as long as no people were harmed by the process. Do I think AI companies are acting insane with building data centers every damned where? Yes. However, AI has helped me do things I don’t know how to do, don’t have time to spend years learning how to do, and can’t afford to hire anyone to do because… this shitty economy we’re all slaves to. AI production isn’t always slop, but some people will ever accept that. That’s sad, because they knee-jerk react when they learn that someone used AI because they couldn’t afford to hire people to do it. If the person actually creates a good game with it, though, those people will miss out because they hate AI so much that they ignore reality and brand everything AI as enshittified. South Park, ne South America, uses AI quite well to troll Trump. Iran uses it to troll him too, and personally, I love the results. If a single person uses AI to make a decent game, and someone absolutely will, I’ll play it. So will many others. So many people wear tunnel vision blinders in their hatred of AI. Fine. Don’t participate. It’ll be your loss. But please, stop spamming the universe with "all AI produced products are slop. You don’t know that, and the evidence will eventually prove you wrong. I’ll put money on that, because AI is already solving mathematical and scientific problems that we haven’t been able to solve for centuries. Ask yourself this: if you have leukemia and AI is used to find a cure, will you refuse the cure because it’s “just AI slop?” Don’t get me wrong, the tech bro billionaires pushing AI down people’s throats are wrong. I see those people as just evil, but AI is just another tool. Declaring it all bad is just foolish, though. Right now, it produces more bad than good. That will change, though. Mark my words. AI is here to stay, the genie is out of the bottle and won’t go back, because people are using it to do good things, and just like products made by human hands, a lot of just sucks, but there are pearls and nuggets of gold there too… just like everything made by humans. If AI sucks, it’s because people suck even more.
I wasn’t sure about this, but all the sucking at the end really brought it home.
Public service announcement: there is a massive puddle of word soup on aisle 72—I repeat: there is a massive puddle of word soup on aisle 72.
Personally, I don’t care how the game was made, as long as no people were harmed by the process.
The process itself is harming, as well as the tool and what was used to make it, so you can stop.
Every process that is a byproduct of good ol capitalism is harmful. If that’s our line in the sand then why are we even using computers.
Half of ais harm is caused exclusively by large businesses for the purpose of selling people ai.
The other half is purely legal bullshit copyright nonsense thats stupid regardless.
Large corporations need to fuck off, their data centers shut down and the ceos hung by their toes over a pit of lava.
But the rest of the argument is wrapped to tightly into the bullshit that is modern copyright for me to give a flying fukk about.
If we had a reasonable copyright system I would lean more towards understanding the outrage but as it is. Meh
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I really have to agree. GameDev is hard and takes a lot of skills. If you want to create a video game on your own, you need to know Programming. Game Design. Graphic Design. How to create Music & Sound. Storytelling. Marketing. Some people manage to do that, but it’s hard and takes a lot of experience.
I really understand why people use AI to help them here. If you are not a graphic designer, generate some AI art. If you do not know how to code, use Claude. Ask some AI music tool for background music. That does work and it is totally ok.
People will cry that you can maybe ask artists or musicians for help. Yes, you can do that, but finding and managing a group of volunteers is another skillset that not everybody has. And if you’re working on a hobby project, you might also not have the budget to hire artists for hundreds or thousands of dollars.
The author of the article is right: AI is able to create games. And it is a joy to create your own games.
I agree with your last quote there, and that’s why I don’t use AI to create games for me ^^
I really have to agree. GameDev is hard and takes a lot of skills. If you want to create a video game on your own, you need to know Programming. Game Design. Graphic Design. How to create Music & Sound. Storytelling. Marketing. Some people manage to do that, but it’s hard and takes a lot of experience.
All you need is effort and creativity. And, my god, of you need AI to create things, you’re brain-dead and lazy.
Volunteers? Have you joined a game jam recently? Every day there are thousands of people all over the world doing ALL this for FREE.
I’m sorry; I’m a game dev and I am sick of this attitude. We literally have ALL the tools we need to create our own games already. There is literally no need to use AI. MAKING A GAME DOESN’T COST YOU AN ARM AND A LEG, LET ALONE THE PLANET.
Kids are learning and making games without any monetary input. I met a 14 year old who made a kick ass rhythm game using Scratch. And you know what sucks? When she goes out to find a job using the skills she’s developed over the years, will she be able to find an entry level position and earn a living? Probably not, because it seems that we’re no longer valuing hard work and the joy of learning.
Thanks for sharing that! It’s super nifty ^^
We haven’t really valued hard work in a long time here in the good ol us of ass sadly. ):
Aw… :(
