• yesman@lemmy.world
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    At a party once, I had to practically fight off a drunk girl. She was belligerent and obnoxious and aggressively trying to have sex with me. It took me and her sister to put her to bed and of course as soon as she lay still for 30 seconds, she was unconscious.

    Some men have told me I was crazy to pass up the “opportunity”. And some women have told me that I was a “gentleman” for doing so. Which also implies that indulging in a helpless girl would have been acceptable, but I went above and beyond somehow. What I did wasn’t noble or heroic. It was basic decency; the least I could do. It’s literally a legal requirement.

    I don’t know why men are so awful sometimes. But I think a big part of the problem is that taking advantage of women is normal and accepted. High profile cases like Brand, Weinstein, Stawell, Tate, and Masterson are good because it pushes sexual ethics into mainstream pop culture. And we need that because too many are ignorant.

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      Every woman I am friends with have all told me that the bar for men is on the fucking ground and they still find a way to get under it.

      The reason why men are awful is because of the privilege that the patriarchy gives men. As a man, you have to actively reject that privilege.

      If you don’t, you end up like Brand, Weinstein, Stawell, Tate, and Masterson.

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      Some men have told me I was crazy to pass up the “opportunity”. And some women have told me that I was a “gentleman” for doing so.

      I don’t know why men are so awful sometimes. But I think a big part of the problem is that taking advantage of women is normal and accepted.

      The term “rape culture” is often misunderstood, lampooned, etc. but that’s a really good distillation of it. SA is not “encouraged” in a legal sense, it’s punished, but there is a cultural expectation of men to be uncontrollably sexually aggressive while women are supposed to “defend their virtue”.

      If men aren’t sufficiently sexually assertive, they are often seen as less masculine. This isn’t always the case - it can support the conception of masculinity as being chivalrous. But can also be viewed as being more passive, less virile, less strong, etc.

      If women are perceived not successfully “defending their virtue”, it’s seen as a failure on their part except sometimes in extreme cases of sexual violence if seen as being “unprovoked”. Hence the “look what she was wearing”, “asking for it”, etc. etc. tropes. These are often less overt now, which causes people to overlook the extent to which they blame women for being victims of SA.

      Rape culture - it’s defo a thing and that’s it.

      • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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        In addition to all that, I find it highly ironic that women are expected to be beautiful and sexy and present themselves to men for our gaze, meaning that we men are expected to try to take advantage while the women are expected to stop us.

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        I think the points you are making here are ones people miss. The societal perception that women should control sex creates the whole situation. In a way, women are expected to mask their desire for sex everywhere except the bedroom. Sadly, the western world is the progressive group on this. The rules on what women can wear in other countries doubles down on the masking. And we know how well that works for the women…
        But have do we move forward on eliminating the source of the issue. I just don’t know. The system just treatments the symptoms with laws.

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      Also, sorry that the other person tried to attack you tho. I’m glad that one of you was sane enough at the moment to be like NOPE.

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      Without details, I’m just back here screaming “Good god, get yourself out of emotionally unsafe situations!” Someone tried to assault you.

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      The situation you are describing is absolutely dangerous for everyone involved.

      Dangerous for the unconscious and vulnerable girl who could be taken advantage of … and dangerous for the sober (or at least conscious) male who is involved in the situation.

      I’m a single older man and I live in practical fear of being alone with a woman, especially younger women. I don’t want to do anything to anyone nor do I have the desire to do so … but if I’m ever caught alone with someone in a compromising situation, all it would take would be a rumor or accusation and my reputation is done for. It’s not the fault of the victims, its the fault of society where everyone is in constant fear and in a constant search for victims and predators.

      This isn’t a denial that terrible things and terrible people exist or that people can be victimized, it’s just that the level of trust in the world is eroded and sometimes, all you have to do is be in the wrong place at the wrong time and your social life is destroyed by the fears and anxieties of society.

      This is the reason why I absolutely avoid drinking parties and bars … I’m over 30 years sober and actively avoid any people that want to get drunk or stoned. There are far too many situations where people can be victimized in drunken events … as well as too many opportunities for people to be falsely accused. Stay safe out there.

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      You should probably have a serious talk about the nature and effects of rape with those men. Someone needs to intervene with people like that.

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    “His wife, Laura, who accompanied him to court, testified as a character witness in his defense”. I have 0 respect for women like this.

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      On one hand i’m like: good for them that they stick together when shit hits the fan.

      But yeah, look for another hill to die on.

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    Please do Jared Leto next. To get his fair punishment (and stop him messing up franchises)

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      Dude starts an open and very public sex cult and executives are like “this dude needs to be the public face of **** !”

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    So we get to burn him now right? On a bonfire? For the 5th?

    Isn’t… Isn’t that the rule?