This got removed from politics because “Video links are not allowed” apparently? Pretty weird considering that most politicians say stuff on video nowadays and not really writing articles anymore since the invention of the radio pretty much lol. Hope it’s a better fit here, this is the kind of stuff people should be aware of.
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/73859928
cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/13118934
Josh Turek of Iowa, Democrat, comes out with one of the worst anti-trans ads yet.
Not only is it an anti-sports ad, it proposes a ban on federal funding for gender affirming care. That would hit all medicaid and medicare patients, and any ACA federally-subsidized plans as well.
Ok, vote for who, then?
The answer is “Don’t live in Iowa”
A progressive at the very least.
Which is?
Not democrat or republican, usually.
This is where these naive fools fail. They have no answer to this question. They wish they lived in some magical world where the perfect candidate was on the ballot for them to vote for.
Instead, the choice is coming down to D or R. The time for a better Democrat candidate was in the primaries. Come general election time, there’s not much of a choice left.
Whoever is most likely to keep him out of office.
Traitors are more dangerous than enemies.
The answer is to not select either candidate for that position. But I expect to hear screeching over that because “how dare you send a message to politicians, they’ll kill more than just you now!”
Erm actually the best way to improve society is to put absolutely no pressure on democrats at all. You’re basically voting for a transphobe to win if you don’t vote for this transphobe
/s.
The way things are going, in 2040, we’re gonna have a democrat on the ballot who wants to jail trans people, and a republican who wants to execute them, and these liberals will argue earnestly in favor of the former. The only way to avoid that eventuality is to signal to the democratic party that trans rights are non-negotiable, and we cannot do that as long as we’re voting blue no matter who.
If you have a choice between a transphoboc zionist and a transphoboc zionist, vote third party. Make the effort to get out and vote, and make the effort to vote third party.
Thank you!
This thread has been exhausting. I’m glad at least someone understands what I’m talking about.
You do understand that one vote means it’s a binary choice. That’s why we have two parties. Like, voting third party is like not voting at all.
We need a different way of voting that will reflect better its constituents.
You just have the attention span of a goldfish. It’s not a binary choice because this isn’t just about one election. It’s not my fault you have long term memory loss.
You do understand that voting for the person you want is a vote for the person you want and not a nonvote, right?
Additionally, where is the line? The Democrat wants to do the trans genocide just as much as the Republican candidate. Your vote is also a message to both mainstream parties. Voting for the Democrat will signal to the dnc that being anti-trans will break the losing streak. Voting for the Republican will do the same, because the dnc are always chasing the non-existent “centrist Republicans”.
So, surrender then. Right? Because that’s what not voting is- a surrender.
Someone is going to win regardless of your involvement. But you do you.
Let’s do a tally.
By voting and not selecting either candidate for this race, it sends a crystal clear message to the Democratic party that anti-trans campaigns are a losing strategy; they already know that, but the dnc is dense as fuck and needs to see it again after 2020 and 2024. Voting for the Democrat in this race is rubber stamping anti-trans stances, they’ll move right again
So you enjoy fascism, eh?
You advocate for absolutely nothing but fascism.
Stfu psyop clown.
Kapo.
The Democrat is fascist too, what part of that don’t you understand?
All the parts that you don’t, mainly- what fascism means.
Ok, so then explain the difference between the genocidal Democrat and the genocidal Republican. Specifically this race.
If you don’t know by now… then this is way above my pay grade. I’d suggest you start paying attention to what is happening to everyone and not just you for a start.
You forgot Republicans is anti a lot more, and when they get more votes and win, more people suffer and the message to dems is they aren’t doing enough shitty things.
Are you okay with the republican cuts to Medicare, ACA, aid support around the world which has resulted in hundreds of thousands of kid deaths?
Because by not voting against them, you are showing you don’t care enough to stop them.
Nah, fuck that bullshit. I’m trans. If you don’t care enough about the lives of and my people to vote against transphobes, I don’t really care what happens to the rest of the country at that point. If the entire society wants to go bigot, well then you all can go straight to hell. Let democracy fall. You clearly don’t deserve it.
So what I’m hearing is that you’re ok with trans genocide. Human rights are non-negotiable.
So what I’m hearing is that you have no solution to the reality of the choices here. It’s either D, R, 3rd party, or not voting. Play out each of those voting scenarios for me. How does it impact the national layout of Congress?
What I’m hearing is that you find the genocide of trans people an acceptable compromise between the 2 major parties. You would rather vote for a Democrat that wants to federally ban trans healthcare than push back against the Democrats even a little.
I don’t live in Iowa, so I don’t know what the other primary candidates were like. Does it suck that this is the winner of the Democrat party? Absolutely, but apparently that’s what a majority of Democrats in Iowa wanted.
No fucking clue, but what the reality of the situation is that either a D or R are going to win this race.
What is your solution to this scenario? Let Hinson win so that there can be even more harm?
The more seats the Republicans win/hold in Congress, the worse off the entire country will be.
Funny claiming the rights are non negotiable yet you are giving up far more by allowing a republican to win instead.
You might be able to change his mind about trans rights.
You 100% will not change the republicans and they want even more people to lose their rights and care even less about their lives.
I’m loving in the real world where voting has major consequences and trying to deal with reducing the amount of hatred and saving lives. Not voting against republicans will cost countless more lives to be lost.
The Democrat wants the same thing as the Republican. There is no changing either of their minds. I am one of their targets. Don’t fucking talk down to me like I don’t know what I’m talking about.
Really so they are exactly the same? Minus all the much worse stuff that the republicans also want.
But that doesn’t matter to you?
What is your solution?
One of them will win and you don’t care if its the worse one who will hurt more?
Explain how your non vote is going to save their lives? You are okay with it and more by not voting and getting someone even worse in office.
At least voting them in maybe their fellow dems can change their mind. Getting 4 more years of a republican means 4 more years of anti rights and deaths.
My choices would be between “the person that wants to kill me”, and “the person that wants to kill me”. I’m a target of their genocide.
Also where does this person want to kill you? Amazing how you made that up so you don’t have to face that not voting for them will lead to deaths by your inaction
In your words one who wants to kill you, and one who wants to kill you and many others and you would rather the second win so you can feel smug about it.
It’s not crystal clear though because other people still vote. So they would really have no idea you sat out because of this
Read carefully. I didn’t say “don’t vote at all”. I said “don’t vote for this seat”. They will have statistics for the ballots which didn’t vote for the Senate race but voted for other government positions.
And how do they know that the trans issue was specifically why? What if they see that and attribute it to some other issue he supports? There is no clear indication
If they can’t figure out that being against human rights was the cause for their loss, then I want nothing to do with them until they figure it out and change course.
Anyone who is against human rights does not deserve my vote.
Perhaps by amplifying the voice of trans people in the build-up and aftermath of the coordinated campaign.
MAGA appreciates your centrism.
I’ll tell you what… you point out to me a moment in history where doing nothing change the outcome for the better and I’ll concede the discussion.
Abolition.
I’m not the Dengist Tibetans & Uyghur genocide apologist, so you tell me.
So you have no answer. As expected. Thanks for playing!
I’ll tell you what… Point to any comment in this entire thread where someone said to do nothing, lmfao.
What message are you trying to send, though? The only information they get from your non-vote is that the other guy wins, and he is full-on anti-trans. The message, from their vantage point, is “be more anti-trans because that is what wins.”
They see the actual number of votes. If voter turnout is on average for the republican candidate but lower than average for the democratic candidate, and accounting for any voter suppression, the DNC would be able to see that their messaging didn’t resonate.
And if the anti-trans dem wins the message to all dems in the US will be “you can end a 18 year-long losing streak by throwing trans people under the bus”
The guy in this ad is literally advocating for policy that will result in the deaths of trans people. Trans people who suddenly lose access to their medications and are not able to go elsewhere to get them are not just going to be fine. This is real measurable direct harm right now. This is a part of trans genocide. Those actions are absolutely intended to harm transgender people in an effort to erase us.
Is there a line for you? Where is that line? Do you think that if he wins he will suddenly stop being anti trans? Do you not think that him winning will also signal to all other democratic candidates running that advocating for trans genocide is actually a great idea and will win them elections?
so is the other guy
staying home doesnt make it better
Yes it does, eventually. Y’all have been having the same argument for decades, but if you had voted third party decades ago instead of just lying down and accepting the ‘lesser evil’ then things would be different and wouldn’t have shifted so far right. You all have been playing right into the corpos hands forever by constantly punching left as everythibg shifts right. This cycle will carry on perpetually until enough people stop throwing away the limited power they have, which is the choice to not choose ANY shitty option.
lol we’re barely into Trumps presidency (all the fun stuff happens in part 2) and you still think things are going like normal? lmao
we’ve lost 40 years of progress in 1 because Democrats weren’t pure enough for you
and i say this hating both clintons
They get the message of statistics from the number of people who voted and left the spot blank. Those ballots will also have data on the people that they did vote for.